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It’s called football because it’s primarily played with the feet (unlike that other ”football” game).
You mean handegg
American football has been referred to as just football (in America) longer than football (soccer) was called just football in Britain. It was called association football as a distinct game separate from rugby football and other football games. Football distinguishing it from games played on horseback. Soccer was British slang from association (similarly at the time rugby football has slang term rugger.) Eventually the association part fell out of use but other countries that had developed their own football games tended to still call it soccer. I don’t really care either way, I’ll call it football when talking to people who call it football and soccer with people who call out soccer, I just think the origin of the terms is pretty interesting.
Football distinguishing it from games played on horseback
The problem with this line of argument is that basketball would also be football, as would baseball, cricket, hockey, and even cycling.
You had me until cycling. Which would clearly be “ball-less tech polo” or something like that 🤷🏻
We sometimes call bicycles “wire donkeys”
Only in the US, though. It’s yet another of their silly regionalisms that confuses everyone.
Cars are horseless carriages. Does that mean they are more or less likely to fall into the football category?
Those are wheelies in America
Counterargument. I’ve never seen cycling done on horseback. Therfore it is football.
Unless we classify a bike as a mechanical horse. Then we have mountain horsing, road horsing. Trick horsing. And all the velodrome horsing events.
I’ve never seen cycling done on horseback. Therfore it is football.
I’ve never seen it done on foot or with a ball either, though.
Two-wheel chasies?
Or as a compromise, Wheelhorsing around?
The fuck did I just watch?
You mean football, football, football, knifeball, and wheelball?
May I suggest:-
Bouncy-football, hotdog-football, 5day-football, ice-football, wheel-football
I’m not beholden to what some rich kids (not my class) of the university of Rugby or Oxford or whatever (not my town) in England (not my country) called the sport once upon a time.
For that matter, you’re not beholden to call it anything. You could make up a new term for it if you wanted. Don’t let “the man” stop you!
That’s the spirit! And I do, now that I think of it. I call it Fubbes.
Same. I don’t remember when I had the urge to check soccer/football term origins and was pleasantly surprised about it. IIRC it also have some class segregation about it as well (of course it does).
longer than football (soccer) was called just football in Britain
This may blow your mind but there are other countries and they have always called it football (or the localized equivalent).
It’s called football because people run around on their feet, as opposed to horseback for polo.
So basketball, baseball and handball is basically football too, neat.
I suppose they are.
Except here in America we call them “ketter”, “baser” and “hander”
Handy? Can you get a job doing that?
In Germany there are shops dedicated to selling handys.
Conveniently, yes.
Are you proposing to renaming polo to horse golf? This logic is a bit weird but sure.
Are you proposing to renaming polo to horse golf
Excellent idea tbh!
It’s because it’s played on foot, rather than horseback like many early sports
But close
That’s not necessarily why, the origins of the word are lost to the mists of time. Either might be true!
that other “football” game
Handegg
Why can’t it be HandOlive
This is how I learned the US lost at the World Cup.
They didn’t just lose, their king pissed of the Europeans so much they felt it necessary to stomp them in to the ground
Deserved
On one hand, as an American, I would have loved to see us win.
On the other, nothing made me happier than seeing our asses get handed to us after Trump played interference.
That team is in a tough place. I also would have liked a win. But seeing trumpy-baby lose is always a fun time
The way the US goalkeeper lost the ball on the 3rd goal was hilarious. Kicked the ground hard instead of the ball.
I found out by seeing a post about CUM being defeated. Canadians, Americans and Mexicans. I only get my latest news from shitpost communities.
Can they also adopt the metric system like everyone else while they’re at it too?
And also dump Phillips screw heads. They’re godawful.
Torx is king, but I would happily use only Phillips if we as humans got rid of slotted screws/screwdrivers. Every single time I’m forced to use one it annoys me. You can minimize it slipping out by using the right size, but who the hell wants to use or carry more than one of these? And it still doesn’t eliminate the problems, whether you use it for high or low torque applications…
The only good thing about slot screws is that you can use any reasonable flat thing as an emergency screwdriver. And the screwdrivers can serve as a general purpose prying tool I guess. They suck at their official job.
I am constantly camming out cheap Phillips head screws and it drives me crazy
How many damn times does it have to be said that philips is perfectly fine for low-torque applications, such as furniture you need to assemble yourself, as the screw will slip before the materials get damaged from too much torque. It truly is the most good enough option for ~90% of consumer grade products.
The problem is that manufacturers keep using Phillips screws for high-torque applications.
Just this week I nearly stripped a drill bit installing some curtains and the manufacturer had supplied some Phillips wood screws. I had to keep my entire bodyweight behind it to stop it from camming out. Phillips wood screws shouldn’t even exist. They won’t even stay on when you put them at the end of your drill. I ended up throwing them away and used my own Robertson screws which went in like a charm.
All of this based on the assumption that people would overtorque fasteners if you didn’t use Phillips screws, completely ignoring the fact that this isn’t a notable problem for the many manufacturers who use Torx or Allen screws.
Did you predrill a pilot hole?
Anything Philips can do, Torq can do better. There is already a simple method to prevent furniture damage or any other rare instance where you want the screw head to slip : use the correct sized screw and dont over torque it.
Yes please. As an American I’ve become the annoying girl who often gives measurements in metric (tbh I mostly fit along with the Canadians on units) and I’ve grown to strongly prefer robertson screws.
Roberson was also a Canadian, so you’re fitting along well in uh… your screw preferences too!
Most US students learn both but there is no centralized education so literally nothing is or can be adopted. The only standards you will follow are the discipline specific standards set by a collaborative council of large industry corporations who simultaneously approve or deny a course of accredited status of college credits.
the metric system is superior for baking.
I dont know whats wrong with a phillips head, but imma keep my driver thanks.
Mr. Beast has always been and will continue to be a huge piece of shit.
It must be a generational thing but that guy creeps me the fuck out, and if horrific allegations about him came to light, I would not be surprised.
It’s because he doesn’t smile with his eyes.
We should instead go back to calling American football “gridiron.” It sounds cooler.
I prefer handegg.
A toxic masculinity-fueled sport like that could do with a whimsical but accurate name to balance things out.
waitball, where you spend most of the game waiting for them to do something with the ball
Or AdvertiseBalls. It’s just commercials with a bit of gameplay in between.
I’d agree, except clearly Baseball is the waitiest of waitballs…
New MLB rules have fixed that, they have a timer on the play now so pitchers don’t spend all day checking bases and shit. 15-18 seconds between pitches, 30 seconds between batters is overall less waitball than the NFL 40s play timer and timeouts.
Unfortunately that would not differentiate the two
Which is which I don’t know how people say soccer is boring cause nothing happens. When nothing literally happens in the 3 plus hour football game.
And we call the shortened version “Griddle”? :D
Called so for the fact to stop the guy carrying the ball, you flatten them like a pancake.
With that 4-1 whipping USA has to change to metric.
dump is asking fifa to find some more points.
It was only 1.57-1 in imperial though.
One if the very few YouTubers I forbid my kids to watch. He’s pretty much a summary of what’s rotten in our civilization. Such a piece of shit.
The only reason he hasn’t fully embraced MAGA is because it’ll kill his ratings.
There are worse individuals, apparently the wells he dug in Africa were a real philanthropic venture.
That said, I would be fine with his career ending, I am sure many more people would be doing far better jobs than him.
Not the problem. Most of his videos are exploiting human misery to makes a few bucks.
The dude made people torture each other, jump in burning houses to make views. That’s simply pure evil and not something I intend my child to think it’s normal.
Any barely good society would simply shame him out of business .
Both things can be true, I just wouldn’t declare him any sort of criminal mastermind the likes of Trump, Putin, Musk, Xi, or Hitler. A lot of people in this thread are wishing death or suffering upon the dude but I think that’s a little extreme.
The summary of everything rotten with our civilization lies elsewhere.
Of course not. He’s a pos of a YouTubers, he’s not a genocidal maniac.
Yet, he’s a proud representation of the absolute mess we’re in. Some genius 200 years ago had the great idea of saying it was ok to remove any ethic/humanity from the economy. And now, we’re living in a dystopian hell where it’s ok to profit from misery and where empathy is a sin.
He could organise squid games to sell cereal without blinking. Empty husks profiting.
200 years ago…?
Try 15,000 years.
Bernard de Mandeville, 1670 - 1733. First “neo liberal” author and the man that coined the ethicless economy. I was off by 100 years tho 😁
Not to say everything was perfect and nice before, but he’s one of the father of modern capitalism and the first to theorise businesses didn’t have to be ethic.
For him, the virtue of the society would be a guard against the sin of the economy. Like that, businesses could focus on making as much money as possible.
Of course, it was stupid. Greed and cupidity were not magically contained…
So theres actually another great example of economic nationalism and inflation without need for ethics slightly before that: Vlad the Impaler.
and actually, a much more successful example: Ghenghis Khan, aka First Emperor (of Yuan dynasty) Taizu whos descendents ruled China for 400+ years with a noticeable amount of wealth disparity and multiple widespead famines.
Neither Greed nor Stupidity are inherently capitalistic in nature, nor is it recent, and nor are any individual outcomes.
Wasn’t there a chance of winning the World cup at around 1%? They had such a crap team that they had to import players from other countries who were technically American but didn’t actually live there. Irony of irony is that Trump relies on immigrants to fill out the team.
They had the easiest path in the entire tournament to the round of 16, finally met a country halfway decent and got the doors blown off them.
To be fair I think that happens in every country. England used to have the best players in the world (Until SA started throwing money at the sport i guess, I dont follow much these days), but at world cup time suddenly we’re playing against those players because theyre all foreigners.
Stop reminding me Erling Haaland exists please
I find it funny that he says “full stop” too which is a British, not American phrase.
May not be common, but I’ve heard it in american slang. I think its more an old carry over from telegrams that never quite left our shared language.
Did telegrams use full-stop? They pretty much only used STOP, no?
It seems more likely that your man picked it up from a British influence, like a friend or something.
I’ve been hearing it in regular language for 30 years now across all of lower Michigan and upper Wisconsin. It’s very decidedly present in American English, thought it might be less common than in Britain.
I hear it all the time in New England, full stop
But you’re ok with “we calling it”?
I hate this sentiment. I’m never going to let go of the word soccer, and it’s irritating to pretend like I would. The Brits have decided they’re done saying soccer and they only say football now, and it’s irritating to pretend like anything the US does will change it. Let dialects be dialects and let’s be done with it.
Soccer is a British word though, but predominantly southerner / Oxfordian.
Association Football used to get contracted to Assoc or Soc to differentiate it from Rugby Football.
And in Oxford, they historically liked to add -er to the end of things; still in parlance today is calling Rugby “rugger”, £5 note “fiver”, the Bodleian Library “Bodder”.
Assoc became “soccer”.
It’s not an American thing. It’s a posh southern England thing that got exported to the states by American students at Oxford returning stateside and bringing the game back with them, and forgotten by the English because the southern teams pale in comparison to the north’s.
Americans don’t even know that other countries exist. So if you start telling this to an american, they will dissociate and remember something or other about The Simpsons.
I have never heard the Bodleian get called ‘bodder’ before. Wow. Huge if true.
A big part of why I will not give up the word soccer is because of the class implications and the association with soccer’s working class and union roots.
Oxford is hardly associated with the working class.
The what now?
I think the suggestion was that people who don’t say soccer would have to switch, not the other way around?
I’m pretty sure that’s what he meant, and I don’t like it. I read the community note as the opposite, and I also don’t like it.
Okay maybe I read it wrong but you don’t have to do what people on twitter say. In fact, I’d probably recommend you do not take guidance from it
Fear not gentle potato, there is no danger of me stopping saying soccer no matter what people on Twitter say.
Proud of you
Other countries call it soccer (Australia and New Zealand) but don’t get the grief Americans get as we are not playing most sports with ourselves to be special
It’s a shortened word for “Association Football” and it is used in the UK as a term frequently enough
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I used to think this too, but I learned that “soccer” is a slang British term for “association football” or “assoccer”. Kinda cool
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)
It was initially introduced to colonies as “soccer”, so it’s no wonder it stuck in some places.
Anyway, call it what you want. I use both depending on what social circle I’m talking to.
Ass-soccer.
Goooooooooaaaaaal!
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Y’all did invent the word tho
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Y’all were literally calling it soccer in like the 60s and 70s in programs and magazines. I admit these are still more niche than the general populace but they still existed. I hate these arbitrary pedantic arguments where both parties are ostensibly correct. Trolls.
(british) - literally no one ever has called it soccer here.
From Wikipedia:
The rules of association football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863. The alternative name soccer was first coined in late 19th century England to help distinguish between several codes of football that were growing in popularity at that time, in particular rugby football. The word soccer is an abbreviation of association (from assoc.) and first appeared in English public schools and universities in the 1880s (sometimes using the variant spelling “socker”). The word is sometimes credited to Charles Wreford-Brown, an Oxford University student said to have been fond of shortened forms such as brekkers for breakfast and rugger for rugby football (see Oxford “-er”). However, the attribution to Wreford-Brown in particular is generally considered to be spurious. Clive Toye notes that “they took the third, fourth and fifth letters of Association and called it SOCcer.”
So, yes, literally a lot of people used to call it soccer there, so much so it was taught in schools.
Get with the times, grandpa!
(jk, jk)
ETA: It’s kind of an interesting throwback. Bill Bryson has pointed out that in the colonial period culture in North America (Eastern seaboard really) was still heavily dependent on trends from Britain (and to a lesser extent elsewhere in Europe). But because it took a while for be slang and terms to make it over the Atlantic and propagate across the colonies, they were usually a few decades behind (I think he actually said about 50 years behind). This meant that colonialists in America were using terms in daily life that were considered pretty antiquated by Brits. And could lead to bewilderment and mocking if the team into Brits.
The use of ‘soccer’ / ‘football’ in North America compared to the UK could be seen as an echo of that old dynamic.
Since they won, we should rename that bit of water the Gulf of Belgium.
Checkmate: we now only order Freedom Waffles.
MrBeast IS a 13 year old brain piloting a grown man’s body.
Nah, he’s aware of what he’s doing.
He was just “engagementmaxxing at all costs” before it was en vogue.
People with kids, please don’t let them get brainwashed by those cancer influencers
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