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Lots of venture capital money behind it. I wonder how quickly the enshitification will begin.
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The only Reddit alt I need is Lemmy.
Anything that takes users away from Reddit, and forces Reddit to compete, is a plus for me.
Being owned by venture capitalists is pretty much an assurance that they’ll turn it to shit as much as they can get away with. The entire reason people abandoned digg for reddit in the first place was because it was selling out to ad space and shill accounts and manipulation. The venture capitalists will want big returns on their investments.
Competition is good. Also the less data Reddit has, the slower A.I. models can be trained.
reddit is partially being propped up by google. most of thier AI comes from google, and thier moderation, BOT DETECTION,etc.
That’s a fair point. Reddit has been openly hostile to its own users these past several years. It might help moderate that to have another alternative on the table, even if it too is a soulless corporate enterprise.
it got worst within the last year. they ban new users and old inactive accounts extremely fast. of course you can say its due to bots using same methods, this hasnt stopped bots in any case at all. its just targetting lowest hanging fruits.
This is quite toxic attitude. You should focus on what’s good for you - not what’s bad for someone else.
Eh, what’s bad for capitalists is what’s good for the rest of us
I don’t agree. We’re not talking about a person or a charity. We’re talking about a VC-backed company. They can fuck off and die, and it’s not toxic – it’s just common sense.
But two corporate entities competing are better than one secure in it’s market share. Anyone with any sense would reject both for a fediverse option if it could be made to work well enough obviously but still.
Only marginally… maybe. Duopolies are still really shitty for consumers and that’s the best outcome to this. Significantly better would be if more people would realise what made internet amazing in the beginning and that logical consequences from that are that public spaces in the internet where the content comes from the people should be owned by the people.
But competition IS good for me.
If people start migrating to better experience and better communities, they’re going to have to step up to stop the bleeding.
Reddit can get away with making terrible user experiences and killing 3rd party solutions because no alternative has lured enough of their base away.
Monopolies are bad for everyone except their CEO and stockholders.
Silly question. Is Reddit still banning comments that say Lemmy?
I don’t have an account.
Dunny. I’ve mentioned it a few times. I don’t think they’re still removing them but I bet they are still suppressing them
I heard that was highly community-dependent - the more high-profile a community the more likely for it to be removed.
Idk, but now that you mention iy, I got a 2nd violation, for threatening violence that did not do so or even come close, to the point I think it was ad hoc in bad faith, to say for other reasons. I did mention lemmy not long before.
If they are advertising on Digg may work.
I’d like to see this place just a bit better
I have a link to my Lemmy profile on my Reddit profile and not even shadowbanned 🤷
they dont care about links as much as if you commented with the links in your posts. and also if your account is old and active enough they are less likely to “ban you”
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Idk, I think there are also legitimate arguments for piefed !
We can have both, thats allowed :)
(That was the point of my comment 😊)
What’s piefed? I looked at it and mostly saw lemmy instances.
It’s an alternative to Lemmy with some different features. Since it uses the same protocol under the hood, its instances federate with Lemmy. There’s more info on the differences here.
It’s like Lemmy, but it has more features because the devs aren’t tankies and they actually do work instead of just denying genocides all day
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Are there any plans to improve Piefed’s RSS feeds? I primarily browse through Thunderbird, and Lemmy’s feeds are a lot more content-rich
Sounds like a good question for @[email protected]
Such as?
This is just off the top of my head.
Grouping comments of the same posts posted on different comms for one.
Keyword filtering to fade or outright block.
Idk if filtering is in Lemmy, but grouping comments definitely isn’t.
I love the grouped comments. I scroll through the comments on once instance, then I reach the next one and you can genuinely see the shift in priorities between communities. It’s pretty cool
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Haven’t tried piefed so I can’t say.
Doesn’t piefed have that controversial hardcoded blocklist? I’ve heard that meme communities and similar are filtered out using hardcoded keywords matched aganst community name.
Why hardcode this??? Imposing your preferences on everyone seems like a bad idea.
Piefed and Lemmy are basically the same thing on different websites
They’re all in the same network
I could go for a text only version of this
That’s what Usenet was.
yeah it was pretty good I was there
I miss it. SLRN and proper score file made it the best information tool on the internet back in the day.
That would be nice. It can probably be done by blocking images at the browser level. Wouldn’t be the same as a text only site though.
I’m starting to agree. Was a bit quiet and every other post oddly seemed to be about Linux when I first signed up, but now I really like it. I’ve decided to stay.
I felt this place was a ghost town when I first started - maybe 10 posts a day. Now, there is plenty to read. Partly due to me finding more communities and overall more people here.
lemmy certainly scratches the doomer/black pill/commie itch in everyone
This is a rerun, and the fediverse is better
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Reddit was the Digg replacement.
oh how the turn tables
EDIT: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
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This
How to get PTSD flashbacks in an instant.
Reddit existed long before Digg died, and was so much better before the Digg refugees streamed in.
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“Hi! We’ve just noticed there are 2 other members of d/footfettish next to you, go say hi!”
Low key win for kink communities.
You are absolutely right about that. Passively detecting your location? Fuck that. We are getting into an era where bots are overwhelming and user verification is a valid topic to discuss. I think additional device permissions can be one element in that discussion. But this idea he popped off the dome is a miserable example of such.
Yeah… no. None of that sounds appealing.
‘Curbing toxicity with AI’ means a bot is going to ban you because it doesn’t recognise sarcasm.
And ‘new tech to verify your identity’ sounds like a privacy violation at best.
‘Verifying that you own a product before they let you post in its community’ is a complete lack of understanding of how people use places like this.
Digg can fuck right off.
While AI obviously is not perfect and is flawed in many ways, having AI sift through the torrent of comments and then flag problematic submissions for human review is likely going to be extremely effective with minimal false positives. Though I do say this as a person whose Reddit account is currently banned for 3 days for “inciting violence” because of a knife-based joke.
I got banned from reddit last week for “threatening violence” basically because my comment contained the word “die.” It wasn’t a verb.
Reddit is super aggressive with this shit now. If you say “Don’t drink bleach, that would kill you.” Their AI bullshit just sees “kill you” and bans you for threats.
Site is fucking useless, don’t even bother at this point. It’s mostly robots talking to other robots at this point anyway.
Meh. I got banned just for saying something about stabbing Donald Trump in the neck and watching him bleed out before alerting the staff of the Urgent Care I was waiting all day in. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ai flagging for human review is likely the best option.
The problem is that the humans reviewing things are biased, assholes with no sense of humor.
Ah I see someone else suffering the same shit as myself. Inciting violence for comparatives is what happened to me. No, neither side should celebrate violence. Human life is invaluable.
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I have been permanently banned from Reddit for wishing for a natural disease process to occur in a certain individual. If only I were that powerful of a manifestor our world would be a better place.
“I run faster with a knife!!”
Yeah, the verifying that you own a product thing is so dumb.
“Hey <insert product> community. I’m thinking about purchasing <insert product>, but I wanted to know if it can do X, Y, and Z.”
“your post has been deleted because you have not proven that you own <insert product>.”
Wow, it’s like they made Reddit even worse.
“Hi I wasn’t paid six dollars on Fiverr to post here” (does increase costs obviously but marginally for high-margin/volume products)
We left Digg for Reddit about 20 years ago because of enshitification, the same way we left Reddit for the Fediverse recently, there is no way I am going back to Digg!
No but this time will be different I’m sure!! I’m sure they’ve learned their lessons from their past mistakes. Trust me on this… I’m a dolphin
Mistakes may happen, but I’m sure they won’t do any evil shit on porpoise.
I specifically remember the exodus from DIGG as the start of reddit sucking.
When was that? Based on life events I’ve reconstructed this timeline of my hangout sites
- late 1990s to mid 2000s was slahdot
- around 2006ish digg came into my life and was great for a some years. At least for memes and generic dopamining on funny pictures. I think I hung around until about 2014 or so, while spicing it up with cracked.com
- 2014ish 9GAG started having more of my type of content. After a few years 9GAG became just automated reposts of r/funny, and talking about that got you censored. Kinda like what reddit is doing now.
- 2017ish I switched to reddit, when 9GAG just became too embarrassingly bad.
- july 21st 2023 I started trying to figure out lemmy. BTW u/spez is a pedophile piss baby.
Maybe I was just trailing behind you others. Was I the one to ruin your experience? Why would you accuse me of that you insensitive clod? Anyway, in that case I’ll go eat crayons in the corner and shitpost on .ml
Interesting, I had my 9GAG phase around 2011-12. Never really used Digg, just saw the front page a couple times, then started dabbling in Reddit in 2015, then Lemmy in 2023 with the blackout protests. (I almost said those achieved nothing, but I think that’s probably when most current Lemmy users joined, so 🤷)
Sorry
-A Slashdot to Digg to Lemmy refugee
Same here 😂
What, Digg was before Reddit? Thought Reddit was the OG forum of the global internet.
Before Reddit and everything was forum sites. I use many of them today.
Digg based the voting off of a simplified version of Slashdot’s. Except they let everyone vote. Reddit then took that concept and added user generated categories and user moderating.
Before Digg was Kuro5hin and Slashdot
I AM learning something New every day! Thanks!
They’re betting that AI can help to address some of the messiness and toxicity of today’s social media landscape. At the same time, social platforms will need a new set of tools to ensure they’re not taken over by AI bots posing as people.
“We’re banking on AI as a competitive advantage but also, here’s why it’s bad” is quite a business strategy
They will populate the basic sites with bots to garner some “content” just like Reddit did in its early days
Conceptually what does this offer that the fediverse/threadiverse/lemmy/piefed doesn’t?
What then does it say about the actual value of this company and others like it?
If you want a hypercurated/focused reddit experience just join metafilter.
Somehow I don’t get the feeling the owners of Digg are going to be happy with the level of income Metafilter brings in to its owners however…
“We kind of opted for … let’s just keep building this plane as we fly it,” explained Digg CEO Justin Mezzell. “That means that it’s going to be very lightweight, and we’re just going to be aggressively shipping every week and just giving them new features as we go,” he added.
camera slowly pans and zooms out to the Fediverse where mint condition airplanes can be seen everywhere with the word FREE on them
The warm and cozy feel of a VC-funded social network.
Normies can’t seem to help but flock to corporate websites only.
Maybe it’s because people drive them away from other spaces by doing things like calling them weird pseudo-slurs like “Normies”, instead of engaging with them as valid human beings with different lives, experiences and interests who don’t always want exactly what we want.
Yeah we are not using slurs enough. Other platforms are openly racist and therefore have better user engagement coz it’s “funny” being openly racist.
Conceptually what does this offer that the fediverse/threadiverse/lemmy/piefed doesn’t?
To us? Nothing. To others? A single place to browse and sign up.
and maybe a place that takes more of reddits traffic
I can live with that.
Ngl. Will digg it.
Conceptually what does this offer that the fediverse/threadiverse/lemmy/piefed doesn’t?
Brand name; the simplicity of just going to a site and register instead of choosing an instance; algorithmic creation most likely.
All the AI features are a real plus /s
Well, actual users and niche communities that get more than 3 responses max might be one thing it offers.
I really wanted to like it, but it’s already a right-wing cesspit. 🤷♂️ Maaaaaybe it’ll improve, now that it’s public, but I don’t have high hopes.
I know this place is just the opposite kind of echo chamber, but when the other option is being beaten over the head with transphobia and Maga shit, ehh, I’ll take it.
Reality has a liberal bias.
Lemmy has a communist bias.
Classic Liberal, yes.
The reality that people manage to share with others, perhaps. I think peoples’ inner worlds, internal feelings and emotions have likely shown changing trends of comprehension/awareness throughout our histories and likely through all of time. The nature of consciousness is far from deciphered, so it makes sense (to me) to interpret your reference to reality as the one that we all share, talk about, and know about thusfar (this is how I understood your definition of the term, when upvoting your sentimental statement)
Your actions are real.
Your thoughts are all in your head.When decision
I you word
Forgive me, reasonable
Says you
Say who?
Quick, “you” turn
If actions depend on our thoughts, and we are capable of thinking about our actions… Where did I “begin” (the sequence of steps which must have occured in order for you to have existed in your present form and current context), and where will I “end” (cease to have any record of ever having existed)
If actions depend on our thoughts
They don’t
Where did I “begin” … where will I “end”
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here’s Tom with the weather.” - Bill Hicks
Oh OK, thanks for clearing that up for me. I didn’t get the knews about that guy on acid, but that is good to know. I guess learning philosophy for fun was a stupid fucking idea in retrospect, but at least god is dead now, so I don’t need to stress to much about my own feelings on the matter much anymore, considering that its all just illusions upon illusions. I’m more about the vibes these days anyway, as we all might eventually say.
I’ve read this six times and still have no idea what you’re trying to say
Language sux, make new ones (words, I guess, is the unit of measure or base unit here, since I think creating whole new languages from scratch without accidentally just mapping out an old language you already know well onto a new linguistic [phonetic?] structure would be difficult for groups of people to do, especially if they all had some shared language that they knew and that most of their ideas that they have learned were taught to them in that language, while they were all trying to creatively conceive of a new language to use amongst each other, even if they set out with an intention to try to not copy or carry over much or any of the previous languages rules, structures, patterns, etc. ). all I really did was try to explain why I was reluctant to upvote based on the necessarily ambiguous definitions of two of the key words in the initial comment. “Reality” was the one I chose to reflect upon and rant about, rather than “liberal”, because I think the attitude of trying to anthropomorphize a concept that none of us knows a perfect definition for, and there will likely be ongoing scientific and philosophical debate on the concept for centuries yet to come, is even more poetically dubious than claiming that all of existence somehow conforms to ones own personal expectation and not recognizing the dangers associated with various biases which might inform our current disposition towards concepts or issues which we have come to recently develop or consider within our working framework of understanding upon which we each may be standing for ourselves in order to maintain such an extracurricular style of dialogue.
Maybe put away the thesaurus.
If you attempt to slow down enough to touch grass, then try to tell a story describing that grass to someone who has never seen a living plant before, you might become frustrated at how little people care about grass when they don’t know anything about plants yet
Try to let it go and practice radical acceptance. What else has the slightest chance of you finding happiness? Do with this message whatever you will.
I just realize this may be read as more of a mental health tip in this context/ in response to my love hate relationship for extra unnecessary over the top vocabulary, rather than as a personal attack or critique of the whole argument/perspective. Maybe it is time to set the ol thesaurus down for a while, practice learning body language or spirit speak for a while in the stead of the dialogues.
rather than as a personal attack or critique of the whole argument/perspective
I don’t even know what your argument or perspective is. Verbosity is not a virtue.
practice learning body language or spirit speak for a while in the stead of the dialogues
If that’s the only alternative please stick with the word salads. It’s easier to ignore someone who talks too much than someone who assumes they know what someone else is thinking because they blinked wrong.
Can I get that word salad with the dressing on the side?
Word salad is what ‘generative’ ai does best.
People always talk about word salad like its a bad thing. Salad is good. Words must be the shitty part they are referencing, ig, idk. I see no way that two good things combined together could become a bad thing, but I always liked words so I don’t ever know what the haters are talking about
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You mean the digg everyone ditched for reddit when they went insane? That digg?
I think some people don’t even realize that digg used to be way more popular than that very basic reddit thingy nobody used.Digg was started before reddit and I think reddit took the upvote idea and went with it. When digg switch to the new layout and then to the news only crap everyone went to reddit like I hope everyone will to the fedeverse. I use to watch the Screensavers and was there when Kevin Rose came on.
I loved the Screensavers! Those were good times, Call for Help, the Screensavers, TechTV News. It was a very transitional time between Cable TV and the Internet becoming connected in everyones homes. Probably very influential on me career-wise and I’m glad to have experienced it.
IMO it’s inevitable now that they’ve made it harder for users to customize their experience (API debacle). The site will have to change over time, and it will gradually piss people off. Eventually old.reddit will no longer be worth the cost to maintain.
No, they built a completely new product.
still the same company though. why trust them not to fuck it up like they did before?
It’s also not the same company. More than a few years have passed, and even though Kevin Rose is involved, you can assume a few lessons were learned.
So in any case they’ll fuck it up in an entirely new way. Or, maybe, they won’t.
Kevin Rose also left Digg at some point, not sure how much of that demise is on him. He had to buy it back for this second run.
He left after the collapse. He was very involved in the redesign, I remember listening to him talking about it on the TWIT podcast.
Oh look, another centralized social media site owned by tech bros!
But currently its quite cool!!1!
Ooohhh a venture capitalist social media platform! I wonder how and in how many overly creative and putrid ways that site will try and fuck me over, inside and out.
Yeah, hells no
Wasn’t a lot of their tomfoolery why people relocated to Reddit to begin with?
Yes, people despised the changes they’d made and reddit was a breath of fresh air at the time.
It’s the same as here, and Reddit. All these sites are the same.
Yeah, I really hate how the Lemmy corporation abuse their users. Yesterday they released the new Lemmy subscription, Lemmy Plus, which removes their gazillion ads and their other shenanigans. Crazy stuff. Using the official Lemmy client is also pretty annoying, I miss using Lemmy third party apps. Overall I really wish there was an alternative free and open-source platform to escape to. Would be cool if it was also federated so no one is truly in control of it
It’s more a reference to the same type of posts, the same users, the same comments. Hell most people here can’t even use lemmy terminology. Most here still use Reddit speak.
What is reddit speak?
Really, how many people came here with no relationship to reddit? Why does this place even exist in the first place? It takes quite a bit of time for a culture to evolve. The reddit mannerisms were always going to be a given.
Lemmy has VC funding?
I actually think the lack of funding means Lemmy doesnt have the same incentives to enshitify itself.
Lemmy did have some funding for anyone curious but the good kind.
Edit: It is ongoing and tied to feature milestones.
We left Digg for Reddit, then they enshitified Reddit so we went to the fediverse and now they want to bring Digg back. The turd just circles the toilet bowl endlessly.
Bc people keep putting money into it, thereby incentivizing the continuation of the never-ending cycle…
They are going to use Ai to moderate, lol… That will be fun to watch.
They already do on Reddit…
i wonder if it could be tricked into banning wrong people
It won’t get a chance; I’m not making an account.
Not banning good people, banning wrong people.
I’m a little half and half on it. A lot of people like myself are fed up with the obsessive way AI is pushed into everything, but I can see it having uses.
For instance, sifting through 20,000 “This user didn’t accept my argument evidence” reports to find some that have merit; that can be worthwhile, even if all it does is alert a human to take a look and make a full judgment. Besides, the bar for quality moderators on sites like Reddit is low.
Let’s also remember that AI has many different meanings. It depends on what technology they’re using. AI is just literally a type of computer program that can be used for a variety of things.
How low are we talking?
I’m not really qualified to answer, we might need a deep-sublayer geologist.
Someone will have to let me know because I’m not wasting my time there. I’m going to keep wasting my time here. It’s a fantastic waste of time
