2FA won’t help if you leave a session running on a public device
That’s the comment I was looking for.
To be fair, we are in a specific community…
Two factor would not help here. One needs to remember to log out of public devices before leaving them.
best to always use incognito browser on public devices. when you close the browser, it logs you off automatically.
Or just not be a moron and put your credentials into a random device in some store
Who knows what is running on that device AND router.
Forreal I will never use a mfers WiFi
lol, warned 2 guys I worked with not to use the starbucks free wifi or any free wifi. One of them had their bank info compromised, the other had their google compromised.
VPN ffs
At the time, when I warned against it, I was told that I was too paranoid. Guess I wasn’t as paranoid as they thought
I mean, we have https now. Also VPNs. Wouldnt this make most situations secure?
You can always use pihole to mess with your local dns and resolve to a fake website that looks like your social media of choice and collect their password
Only if the user ignores the “unsafe connection” warning in the browser, since you won’t have an SSL certificate for the domain
Router doesn’t matter if the device is trusted and the service you’re using doesn’t have shite security, with things like HTTPS.
This is the way.
Why would you even log into a public device?
The amount of people that leave things like youtube logged in on hotel room tv’s is also moderately staggering.
Tv and app creators I feel like are also a bit responsible for this by not making it easy to do timed logouts when you log into a device for the first time. Unless you have a mental or physical checklist going its not a high priority
Probably because most the TVs are designed to auto logout after check out. So when you run into one that isn’t it’s weird.
Interesting. I’ve actually never heard of them automatically logging out. That’s partly why I am hesitant to log in in the first place.
Most of the TVs that have apps like these in hotels specifically state on the login page that upon check out their system will automatically wipe your logins. At least in the several that I’ve used that have specific tight end apps like these. There are of course those cheap hotels that just have the Smart TVs in the rooms that you’re free to log in as you wish as long as you remember to log out. Usually in those cases I won’t log in at all or I may choose to log into like say Netflix if my kids are there and then are just remembered to log out. Of course I stay in a lot of hotels during the year as well. Think this year I’m already something like 20 or 25 nights in a hotel.
Wow! Heavy traveling in your job?
Both job and pleasure. I have family that lives out of state so I often go see them. My work takes me all over the West as well. And we like to go on adventures as well. I’m addition to the hotel nights we are at like 9 nights camping so far this year.
We just stayed at a disney resort a few weeks ago. The tv prompted us to sign into OUR disney+ account…
Ellipsis are wrongly used again. Why do you people keep using shit you do not understand?
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I used it to indicate my trailing thought. I had more written, but cut it off.
Also, no one cares about your grammar policing and it contributes nothing to the conversation
It contributes nothing to the conversation…
Does it really matter to anyone other than the streaming companies?
If the next guy at the hotel watches my HBO why would I care?
Worst case scenario I lose my spot in a show.
And lose your account and your google account if it’s youtube like the commenter said
And your account.
Kid looks like a Mad magazine cover.
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Wonder what Timothy is up to nowadays
1337 h@xing the internets
Tight
Ok, you’ve hacked me.
I hope you’re ready for what you’re about to see.
Goat…
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The greatest of all time
[Kermit_puppet_goatse.jpg]
“Hahaha hacked!!! … now let me dox myself.”
Maybe that’s the name he uses so people think he is called timothy! And it wasn’t a sprint store! Classic misdirects
2fa wouldn’t change anything and sms is an insecure system to begin with.
[citation needed] on the second half
A big feature of sms is that it’s not encrypted. Every tower that recieves the message is trusted to forward it unaltered. This is one attack avenue.
https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2020/11/12/sms-voice-mfa/
Things like the following are generally recommended though Microsoft recommends using their app. https://www.yubico.com/
I should have clarified that sms 2fa is insecure not 2fa.
Okay that makes sense. Yes sms is insecure, not 2fa.
Briefly: look into sim swapping, which is the most obvious, day to day risk.
Then there’s SS7 and how inherently trusting the whole system is.
Then depending on where you are, some mobile networks still have terrible link encryption (were talking so bad a normal laptop is enough these days to break it on the fly). Granted, this is rare these days, in part thanks to the efforts of Karsten Knohl, SRLabs and other security researchers who did a lot to shine a light on this and SS7
Not sure how up to date it still is, but https://gsmmap.srlabs.de/ shows how unequal networks are.
This is becoming less of an issue as US Mobile has anti-SIM-hijacking protection; hopefully other carriers will follow suit. Of course, the carriers themselves can still read your msgs, but so can WhatsApp, probably (despite their claims to the contrary).
That’s all sms though, not 2fa in general.
All valid points and good information within that scope.
(…) and sms is an insecure system to begin with.
citation needed on the second half
That’s all sms though, not 2fa in general.
Are you an LLM?
It’s been edited, bud. Originally it said that 2fa in general is insecure.
The edit icon is a bit not-obvious in Voyager…
And I can’t view the original text.Edit: Speeling on a phone is hard (read: annyoing)
I don’t think the original text before edits is viewable by anyone other than possibly instance admins.
Do you know what 2fa is?
It’s like when people think VPNs will magically prevent their credentials from leaking while they’re giving them to some sketchy website
But the YouTuber that sold me my VPN said it kept my online data safe (whatever that means)
Supposed to be ‘Secure in Transit’ though does nothing if you, as Saapas said, go to a sketchy site and reuse credentials. Data is so cheap today I have more data on my phone than I use a month on pc with live streaming, streaming yt, and playing online
Back when I was in college, I was young and dumb enough that I’d login to AIM on the college computers. (Nowadays I won’t login to personal accounts on anything I don’t fully control. I’m always surprised by coworkers who check their bank accounts, social media, personal email, etc. on their work laptops.)
Anyway, even at the time I was pretty good at logging out when I left each computer, but once I forgot. The next time I logged in, I was surprised to discover that my entire buddy list had been cleared. I never understood the motivation behind doing so. I don’t think it was particularly funny but, even if it were, it’s not like the perpetrator got to see my reaction or even to point and laugh.
I did learn a lesson from it, but presuming that that was the mission of whomever did it feels … Generous.
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You shouldn’t.
If the goal was to teach me a lesson, there were less destructive ways to do it.
If the goal was to troll, well, that’s without redeeming qualities.
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I agree that doing something non destructive is fine, if unnecessary.
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All right then, “beneficial.” To anyone involved.
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Brown hat more like
sudo hack IP -127.0.0.1
What, how’d you get my IP! You haxxor!?
2fa got me locked out of google after losing my phone so fu2
You didn’t print out or write down the codes they give you for this exact situation? 100% your fault and not 2FA’s
True but also I wasn’t there when other people had to clear out my apartment so I didn’t have much of a clue wether or not it would be saved.
Still know my pw managers pw by heart and have my gmail account pw written down but not that actual code, no.
Google doesn’t give you codes. They don’t even tell you that they enabled 2FA. If you log in on an android device, they will automatically enable it for 2FA, and for some reason they assume you will have access to this phone until the end of time, even if you haven’t turned it on in months. The only way to go around this is to set up 2FA manually.
Google has locked so many people I know out of their accounts it’s ridiculous.
Tell it to my print out of emergency 2FA codes sitting in my documents safe.
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/1187538
You can get a new set of 10 backup codes whenever you want. When you create a new set of codes, the old set automatically becomes inactive.
Yeah if you’re smart with the computor like me and you then you keep your 2FA backup somewhere. But if you’re just a normal person, it doesn’t occur to you. Google doesn’t even do a very good job reminding you to properly set up 2FA in the first place.
Do you blame the locksmith if you lose your keys?
I could take the locks off the door to my house but then I can’t be mad when I get robbed
Edit: I hope that the lesson learned is about needing to have multiple forms of MFA and a safe location for back up codes, like you would have multiple sets of keys and maybe a key box hidden in a safe place. Not blaming you for not realizing it at the time, it’s not something one would think about until it’s too late. It’s not like we had our parents to teach us about MFA best practices like you might have for house keys
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Logged into what?
What’s a Sprint store?
If it’s a shop that sells electronics like Currys or Mediamarkt then why would this person log into anything on display?
Phone carrier.
They have display phones and tablets.
And some people use those display units for social media for some reason.
Back in the 2010s I had a friend work in stores as a “device expert”, he handled daily resets of the display units (this was pre-MDM easy management days). The number of people who just logged on to Twitter, Facebook Messenger, even WhatsApp or GRINDR of all things (yes, dude left his grindr account logged in, full of explicit images, which downloaded to the device’s gallery, while the phones were most often used by KIDS in the store…), it was simply astonishing.
Sprint
iswas a phone carrier in North America (pretty sure just the US, but they may have been in Canadia, too)They’re called T-Mobile now they merged or bought them, I don’t remember. T-Mobile is owned by Deutsche Telekom
No it was USA only. We have three mobile carriers that own all the cell towers here. You’re either with Rogers, Bell, or Telus, or one of their derivatives. There’s zero competition here, it’s ridiculous.
