It’s pretty ironic to have problems with audio not recognizing headphones… on WINDOWS.
Multi-trillion (10^12) dollar company, btw.
(Both laptops are reasonably new.)
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Linux audio issues were common during the transition to PulseAudio, but that was almost 20 years ago now.
I was about to say… Maybe I’ve just been lucky, but I haven’t had the slightest issue with Linux audio. Ever.
mint occasionally loses all sound devices on my media pc, but that’s usually fixed with a reboot. and easy effects caused random sound lags, so i have to live without eq.
Mine too if it turns off the monitor and something happens (I suspect)when rediscovering the HDMI cable
And they continued until the transition to Pipewire.
pipewire is so cool! It’s so easy to set it up to sling to snapcast!
[sobbing] I don’t know what the fuck snapcast is, I just want sound to work!
It’s a pretty easy setup for turning all of your Linux devices into speakers for one studio stream.
Set up some raspberry pis, plug them into speakers around the house, hit a button on your phone, they’re all playing synchronized musicSounds expensive.
Have you got like, an old phone or laptop? And some old PC speakers? Then you’ve got surround sound.
Agreed, it was the next step from pulseaudio. To say it wasnt problematic is incorrect, as it had many problems and needed a lot of manual intervention.
Nowadays, pipewire appears alot more stable, even with the compatibility layers for when stuff uses pulseaudio.
I’ve been using Linux as my main operating system since 2010 and can’t recall having any audio issues. My desktop has 5 sound cards and they all work fine. I don’t use bluethooth for audio, so I guess that makes things easier.
I guess you’ve just been lucky.
Or you’ve just been unlucky.
It’s very common to have audio issues, in fact. Pipewire is seen as a golden age by many.
Pipewire is my goat
Time for curry
I’ve definitely had some on and off audio issues, nothing crazy usually solved by unplugging and replugging in the device.
Bluetooth have been kinda crap but also HDMI audio devices have been buggy. Analog in/out (3.5mm) has always worked for me.
HDMI audio depends on a proprietary license. The Linux drivers for it are, predictably, less robust.
I had a shortcut on my taskbar to terminate and reinitialize Pulse. It got used multiple times a day.
Hard to believe it’s been that long already. Linux has come so far. I remember fighting with audio issues. The most frequent issue I remember having is not being able to have two different programs use the sound card at the same time. Haha. So no system sounds while listening to music.
Two programs not being able to use the sound card at the same time is what happens when you set a program to use an ALSA hw or plughw device instead of PulseAudio or PipeWire.
Back when I first started using Linux, PulseAudio was not yet a thing. Back then I was using Mandriva/Mandrake and Redhat (prior to switching to Enterprise).
Yeah, but does your half-assed linux install come with the incredibly useful NoPilot? Huh?
Checkmate, linux nerds!
does your half-assed linux install come with the incredibly useful NoPilot?
Nope. If for some incredibly bonkers reason I actually wanted to use it, I’d have to actually – gasp! – go to a website and talk to it through a website interface, rather than an interface directly integrated into every goddamn app on my own computer. That’s like … two, maybe even three extra clicks!
(Seriously, though. If for some reason I wanted to talk to a chatbot, I could do that on the chatbot’s website. Why do I need it to be integrated into fucking Notepad?)
Why do I need it to be integrated into fucking Notepad?
The rate at which every security practice is being torn down for the sake of clankers is giving me suicidal tendencies. Surely you will not regret giving the token-based randomness machine root access!
And don’t worry, the mega-corp that has constantly lied about things in the past promises that all the data from the integrated app that gets sent back to company HQ only gets used for training better chatbots (probably) (maybe) (possibly) (unless it’s, like really good blackmail material). And every single thing you’ve ever typed into Notepad surely isn’t just sitting there on a company server, waiting for a subpoena from an increasingly authoritarian government to gain access to…
(And, of course, that program you coded in Notepad? The fact that it was used to train Microsoft’s next chatbot, which then went on to magically write code strikingly similar to yours to be integrated into the next Microslop project without notifying or compensating you in any way … purely coincidental, of course. It’s not stealing – it’s training. Running it through a chatbot first magically removes all copyright protection from your code.)
That’s why.
Its ‘our’ pc now, not ‘your’ pc.
Allegedly, they changed that because idiots were going to their work computer and expecting “My PC” to open the contents of their home computer.
We spent a lot of money on this chatbot. You should talk to it. Yes, in Notepad as well!
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It’s Microslop’s Artificial Idiocy
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I imagine it’s rephrased “Copilot”.
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Oh the idiocy is very real
PipeWire (written by Wim Taymans) did a lot of good for the Linux distro ecosystem when it comes to audio.
I remember the times before pipewire, not that fun.
Yet more fun than using microslops slop
I will never forgive him and Fedora for rolling it out when it was a half-baked piece of shit though.
The fun part about windows is you don’t know if it’s breaking because of the coke code from the 80’s or the vibe code from the ‘20s.
You forgot the Ballmer Peak code from the 00’s
Oh, yeah, cocaïne fuelled developers bouncing around. I’d forgotten about those.
Developers Developers Developers Developers
COKE COKE COKE COKE
On Windows audio cuts out every so often.
Also an update broke a driver a bit ago and I had to edit the registry to fix it.
Linux is my comfort OS, everything just works.
Linux is my comfort OS, everything just works.
This exactly!
People who remember trying Linux 20 years ago look at me like I’m crazy. But Linux is so cozy, now!
When you want to route your audio a certain way (let’s say audio recording/production or such)
Windows: oh sure, you just gotta download a shitty proprietary driver/program, get that to talk to your daw and from there on it’s…let’s hope it does what you wanna do.
Linux: You want routing options? Have some …(ALL the options)
As someone that is using RTP to send audio from and to different Linux computers, this is unfortunately an option that is getting more difficult to use as time passes. A few years ago when pulseaudio was dominating, it was trivial to just tick a few boxes, enable RTP, see a lit of devices in pasystray, and choose it with a few clicks. Now since pipewire, this is no longer possible. Sure, RTP still works, but using the command line is now mandatory, as all the GUI options have disappeared.
I still find myself reinstalling pulseaudio on most of my computers running Linux because I need RTP audio and it’s disappointing that it’s getting harder and harder to get it to work on Linux.
Yeah they now expect you to use their native protocol for sharing audio on the network.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Sharing_audio_devices_with_computers_on_the_network
I’ve never used pasystray. But I regularly use qpwgraph now since I switched to pipe wire. It’s similar to the graph from qjackctl.
Any idea if Dante Virtual Soundcard supports Linux? I haven’t done any research on it, but I use a lot of audio-over-IP devices for work and all of them use the Dante protocol. It is definitely a “just open the program, tick a few boxes to route things from A to B, and everything works” solution.
It’s proprietary software and it seems doubtful the company will port it to Linux. However it seems there’s a workaround using AES67, or a reversed engineered implementation called teodly.
When I tried PulseAudio over network in addition to VNC I just got a really choppy unusable audio.
I just gave up and restored to streaming audio with VLC.I’m not sure if this is what you’re talking about, but win11 can control both input and output per application.
I often route my Pandora audio through my stereo while my default/games go through my computer speakers (or sometimes my headphones)
Oh that’s a given, I’m talking about routing a signal through several pieces of hardware and/or software in a particular way.
For example: the drummer needs to hear a clicktrack and the bass, while the choir needs to hear the orchestra/themselves separate (and they want a little reverb). (Now take this and apply it to everyone on stage)
These kind of situations can get very complex and can get very high stakes.
For those matters in windows you rely on the software that comes with your hardware. Problem is those don’t always play nice together. Or they simply don’t offer the particular situation you need.
In Linux you can do anything you want. So much so that it sometimes adds unto the complexity.
Virutal Audio Cables, route audio output from OBS to Zoom/Meet as a microphone.
To be fair, a lot of bluetooth headphone problems i had on my work laptop was just microsoft teams.
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To be fair, a lot of bluetooth headphone problems i had on my work laptop was just that other terrible Microslop product.
LOL Yeah, I mean Linux has always had audio problems, but I find that I can solve Linux related ones mine faster than on Windows (when I used that garbage). The time it took grew smaller as my knowledge grew. Pulseaudio will randomly shit the bed and take Alsa with it. So about three terminal commands and 5 minutes later my sound is often repaired. It is weird that a billions of dollars sort of company can’t get that shit right or make it a speedy fix at the very least. The troubleshooting tool would take fucking forever and often shit the bed. Touching the Powershell was cursed, but Linux made the terminal a blessed experience!
I did IT for my company on the side of my job for a year or two.
Prolific problem where windows would disable the microphone but every single “windows tool” said it was working perfectly fine except teams would say it was not available.
The only possible fix that someone on the internet found was to download an old sketchy file from a 3rd party source for an archived version of their “pre-help-assistant AI slop” audio troubleshooter, and run that and it would immediately say “oh, it is disabled, let me re-enable it for you”
Even though every tool, setting, and even registry said it was enabled.
Microsoft has the worst audio.
Oof, so it wasn’t JUST a problem is in the chair situation for me. I really thought that it was simply me being too inept at the time to, figure it out immediately when on Windows. I’d eventually get it to work but that would require restoring a backup of when audio worked previously. As I didn’t trust sketchy files, my experience having to fix our family PC due to…My parents downloading whatever looked cool, only for it to fill our hard drive with porn and slowing down the PC with too many processes that were collecting data or worse. ROFL
Linux: “I am the non-janky OS now!”
Hot take: There is not now, nor has there ever been, a non-janky OS.
Some Linux distributions are absolutely less janky than Windows at the moment, though, absolutely.
I haven’t used a mac in a few years, but it was pretty jank-free the last time I tried it, but I’m certain the situation there has gotten worse.
Nah I’m on Sequoia on a maybe 3 or 4 year old MBP and it’s still smooth as silk for me
just got a new laptop and wanted to boot into windows once so i could make sure bitlocker was off and i had to go through 15 minutes of clicking decline on upsells for 365 vs clicking on install linux mint from the live usb and being yes install
Setting up new laptops at work is similarly annoying even with every trick we keep up our sleeves. Naturally Microsoft does bypass some portion of that BS if you happen to be connecting to to an AD or Azure account because they don’t want to completely piss off their core userbase
First I tried Ubuntu. Then I tried Mint.
Two years later, still on Mint. It works, it doesn’t spy on me, I’m good.
Work requires Ubuntu. Still with Kubuntu. Works, doesn’t spy on me.
Brothers.
Debian, both at work and home.
Kids, you’re doing alright.
btw, Debian seems to be leaking maintainers and we need to do something about it, before a hostile takeover occurs.
Any source for this?
This was what I was going off of.
https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/debian-linux-is-slowly-bleeding:6
There’s also this now that I look into it, which you can base your own thoughts upon.
Thanks for the links!
So real. Never have audio issues on my Linux PC.
Meanwhile my company issue ThinkPad just doesn’t want to work with any Bluetooth audio input. I can’t take work calls from any other device either due to IT policy…
I had issues with Bluetooth Audio once. 18 years ago on my first ever install on an IBM ThinkPad 600E that I had bought used with a USB Bluetooth dongle.
Linux revoked my mic permissions in the middle of a call today, on Google Meet. Happened before on Zoom.
I have not root-caused it to see if there was flaky hardware or what.
Ok, this prompted me to root-cause the issue. A bad cable between laptop and USB dock seems most likely. Hardware issue, not Linux!
Most machines have issues with the headset headphones.
Windows, Mac, Linux.
Many headphones that are headsets will pair as a dual device with the crappy two way audio that sounds like you just connected to your cars Bluetooth from 2005x
Back in 2021 I remeber I had several issues with bluethooth audio, now it just works as soon as I take my headphones out of the case (even tho KDE says Bluethooth is disabled everytime)
My
SonySennheiser Momentum 4 always say loudly “No connection” after I connect them, but they are connected. It doesn’t annoy me too much though.I use Mint btw
Sony momentum 4?
Surely you mean Sennheiser Momentum 4 or Sony WH-1000XM4?
Sennheiser of course, thx
Strange, Bluedevil has been working consistently for a while. What Plasma version are you running?
I’m on 6.5 now.
In 2021 I was using a laptop with a different chipset, now I’m using one of those cheap USB Bluethooth dongles you find on Amazon for 5$
Ok that may be the reason. You can find M.2 modules from Intel or Qualcomm at reasonable price which support Bluetooth 5.4+
