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  • I did study both computer neural networks and music so I can tell you pretty definitively that what AI has gotten good at is imitating human artistry.

    The problem is that AI style is that it doesn’t have unique repeatable style, it’s kinda just averaging of a bunch of styles, so it will only ever be an imitation, in its current form.

    So yeah, I’ve been “tricked” by AI before, thinking it is a real song, and probably you could trick me in the other direction too. However, just like a lawyer would be checking a hallucinated citation, I checked my facts. After I found one cover that happened to autoplay into slightly intriguing enough to want to hear more of the covering artist’s discography, but I wouldn’t be able to because this artist doesn’t exist. I did feel empty and disappointed after that. The variations to the original song I thought to myself tended towards the mean, well before I had any suspicion it could be AI.


  • Upvoted for unpopularity. Objectively speaking, based on the foundation of how AI models work, their output tends to the mean (average). If the music in the example is considered “good”, then objectively the standard has moved downward a lot. I’ll start with visual AI as analogous to make my point:

    Various people and businesses, big and small, have decided that AI generated images fit their needed purpose. I see a few places downtown that have made their store logos AI slop. Is it objectively well drawn image? In a sense that maybe they make fewer mistakes than before, but besides that, “average” is a more objective moniker for it than “good” on a factual basis. Subjectively you can decide whether you like it, I can judge you for it but the decision is yours to make.

    Back to AI genned audio, even before it became widespread, people were making Muzak for elevators, phones, commercial jingles etc. It was fit for purpose to keep you occupied in the background. AI soundtracks seem to fit that niche for you and that’s fine. It may be “good enough” for you, but it’s not “good” and I doubt will ever be if judged objectively as music.

    I listened to the instrumental track, and sure it is coherent at a very basic level, but the harmonies just keep going back to the same, any semblance of a musical idea or fluorish ends or is replaced with another entirely different one within 4 bars. That’s the reason why I don’t think any song is memorable, without any fundamental changes to the underlying tech I doubt any will. AI generated songs like “We are Charlie Kirk” are memes because they are monuments to conservative tastelessness.

    People will tell you not to listen to or support that, I won’t stop you but I’d agree in the sense because I think of it as supporting an industry for elevator and phone hold muzak over real musical artists, that also sucks power and water and pollutes a lot. I personally don’t care about your tastes, you can like it, but calling it “objectively good music” is an affront to art.

    I think there are two suitable uses of it: generating a cover or pastiche of two unrelated artists that would never have made something (Frank Sinatra sings “Rock the Casbah”), or completely filler music. Which if the second is meeting your needs, great, but that doesn’t make it objectively good. Perhaps good for Muzak consumers to have a flourishing industry but not for music consumers.







  • What else could I do for you, besides saying, “that sucks, friend”? Asking seriously.

    • I can offer you advice based on my own experience, that may or may not work for you.
    • I can refer you to talk to someone who has a professional degree in studying feelings, who may be able to help you with better advice than me or prescribe drugs.
    • I can sit, nod, pat you on the back through words.

    If it is someone I know in person, I’d try to send them care package based on what I would think they liked.






  • Okay, yeah now it’s all coming together…

    I recall a user Stamets had a big beef with ST.W-Risa mods 3 years ago for a debacle that was similar in nature. Moved to tenforward on .world but now I guess Stamets created this new risa as well.

    Anyway, there were supposedly “no real rules”, but somehow posts were being removed with rules being cited like “not a meme/shitpost”. Unfortunately since some posts were deleted, I can’t recover every detail, but part of it was the same issue of undocumented rules then not taking it well when called out on it.

    You can have a welcoming community without needing to be prescriptive with rules, beehaw does it well, they are far from a “free speech” place but they have their principles documented on why they do this. They will warn you if you are just crossing the line into “jerk” territory, before removing your comment or banning you. They enforce it very strictly and the excessive moderation burden has caused them to defederate from lemmy.world.






  • Rentlar@lemmy.catoTransfem@lemmy.blahaj.zoneI just dont know anymore
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    You don’t have to force yourself to become girl-like just because you don’t want to follow male gender norms. I won’t deny you the validity of the pain and feelings you’ve had in the past, but since it’s evolved into a calmer confusion, I invite you to look beyond the binary. I’ve got non-binary friends, going by they/them, they figure out their life one step at a time like anyone else, with good days and bad ones.

    Grow out your hair if you want or not, do your nails or not, wear what you like and fits comfortably, your deodorant can be artificial sports smell, unscented or flower. You will always be you and none of the things above will change that. I’d think your friends like to be with you for reasons other than your appearance or gender identity. Embrace that you’ll figure it out eventually, you don’t necessarily have to rush directly to the answer to live an adequate life. I suggest to start doing more of the things you like doing (which can include makeup/beauty activities), over worrying about the appearance of doing it.



  • It’s too bad that this had to be a big drama, but:

    No one is talking about the Piefed vote quotas anymore, so you’re welcome.

    More than once I brought this up as comparison on the difference between an unpopular default based on the main developer’s needs, that was announced and detailed in changelogs, that can be toggled and worked around, instead of a control-freak’s grudges manifesting as a hidden shadowban list. We lost a very friendly power user (PugJesus) from the Piefed change, but unfortunately sometimes that is the price of it.

    Wanting a less-toxic fediverse is a totally normal thing, users and admins have many of the tools already for that, and I respect devs for trying to do their part. But it is the dishonest way of implementing it that no one is a fan of, and that makes everyone question this dev’s character. If this person could at the very least own up to it, call it well-intentioned error, and respond to the problem with solutions rather than a crashout, then this wouldn’t need to be as big of a deal.

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    Lemmy is bandwagony but in politics you have to live with a little bit of it. I’ve said anti- and pro-feminist stuff, made anti- and pro-trans arguments while trying to be empathetic as I can, made cold, warm and hot takes, toed the line and went against the grain, got lots of up and down votes. I try to pushback against gatekeeping and purity tests, play devil’s advocate, and when I’m not shitposting, try to steelman arguments I don’t agree with. People are imperfect, I try to avoid to assign guilt by association, people will think differently about things than I do, I respect their opinions while still disagree with, and I’ll take downvotes on the chin for defending different that.