• FauxLiving@lemmy.world
    1481·
    7 months ago

    All you need to know is that, whatever you pick, you made the wrong choice and you will be roasted if you ever attempt to explain your decision.

    Unless you use Arch, then you have chosen correctly.

    • NostraDavid@programming.dev
      22·
      7 months ago

      You’re obviously not using NixOS. I clearly don’t even need to try to use such a subpar stateful system such as Arch, you absolute pleb.

      Am I out-jerking you already?

      I use NixOS, obviously.

    • MuckyWaffles
      1212·
      7 months ago

      Arch is utterly inferior because of its use of the Systemd “init” system, which is a bloated mess that completely disregards the Unix philosophy of doing one thing and doing it well, and shouldn’t be forgotten for its sins and heresy. “Arch Linux” (Really Arch Gnu/Linux, or more preferably Arch Gnu+Linux (Unless you consider that Gnu runs on top of Linux, in which case it’s Linux+Gnu)) cannot be taken seriously as a minimal do it yourself distro when it hinges on an software that has ties with RedHat, which has had a history of forcing their woke Wayland Display Server (Even though Xorg worked just fine, suspicious much?), as well as their DEI onto the entire Linux space - where politics shouldn’t play any role. A WOKE company like RedHat has no place in the open source community. If you want to be a true and righteous Linux user, I recommend Either Void Linux+Gnu (What manly men like myself use) or Gentoo.

      Edit: this is satire, I clearly interact with these people far too often to have done this good of a job.

        • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
          4·
          7 months ago

          I mean, it’s both good and bad. The amount of downvotes mean there is a large subset of folks who no longer recognize the twisting of stallman’s rant. They are new to linux, and not super-serious-no-casuals-allowed penguin lovers. It’s bad because I would love if everyone coming to linux could be as into it as I am. People who are invested into a thing take a much deeper look at things, and can appreciate it’s soft and jagged parts and then properly make recommendations on how to change things.

          • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
            21·
            7 months ago

            There has been I have noticed a marked increase in argumentum populum, argumentum ad lapidem and argumentum ad novitatem, with the influx of new users (in recent years), who seem to be coming to “Linux” like it’s another platform; another groupthink team to switch to [“PC vs Mac”], rather than Linux just being a kernel that has a license that qualifies it as having a Free Software philosophy, and the free software (free as in freedom) being the reason to use it.

            Like they’re still caught in, not just the fallacies and identity-attachment mass-formation malady, but also a consumerism and a dependence paradigm, rather than embracing the freedom to learn, to empower themselves and each other.

            It’s daunting to think, many may not know they can look deeper into it, not merely just use the software, but also study it, and change it, and share their changes… like they don’t know how we got here.

            Freedom forgotten is freedom lost.

          • MuckyWaffles
            1·
            7 months ago

            Lmao, I just made this account, yeah. It’s not my first Lemmy account. I made an account on lemmy.world back in 2023 I think (lost the account), and a PieFed account earlier this year, which I hardly used. I thought I could use a fresh start. (And sorry for the ambiguous satire)

      • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
        2·
        7 months ago

        Edit: this is satire, I clearly interact with these people far too often to have done this good of a job.

        Imagine if The Onion had to say this.

        Your target audience understood, the people downvoting probably are Ubuntu users anway.

      • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        32·
        7 months ago

        Arch is utterly inferior because of its use of the Systemd “init” system, which is a bloated mess that completely disregards the Unix philosophy of doing one thing and doing it well, and shouldn’t be forgotten for its sins and heresy.

        So… do arch without systemd. (And not listed there, because its live-installer iso comes with systemd, is parabola linux, which does let you install with any of many init systems).

        Or as you say, any of many other distros that offer init-freedom.

        Though I’m not entirely sure if I’m replying to an instance of poe’s law, intended to mock those of us who see things largely like you depicted. n_n Which is fun.

        PS,

        history of forcing their woke Wayland Display Server (Even though Xorg worked just fine, suspicious much?),

        Yes. Actively inhibiting development of Xorg. The tighter they squeeze the more of us slip through their fingers. Now there’s XLibre (a Xorg fork, to continue (otherwise actively inhibited) patching and developing), and even Pheonix (a from-scratch implementation of the X11 protocol written in zig! ~ give it a couple years). Exciting times.

        Frankly I’m not even keen on the idea of pulse audio either. Funny how all this “Lennartware”'s so contemptable… from Lennart Poettering, who then went to work for Microsoft. Funny eh? Funny how it’s almost like it’s following the same ruthless dastardly insidious method of unscrupulously building a monopoly, via “embrace, extend, extinguish”. Not a fan of pulseaudio, systemd, and wayland. Much prefer free software stays closer to being in human reach, so more of us can make use of the 4 freedoms of free software. So it’s not just “free software” in name only, but in practice too.

        • MuckyWaffles
          2·
          7 months ago

          Sorry, my comment was satire, though I do daily drive Void Linux (and very much enjoy runit, and I’m looking to try openrc). Also I’m not really anti wayland, but I do dislike the squeezing of xorg development, as you mentioned. I’m pretty excited for the Phoenix project, as I’m a big fan of Zig myself, and I’m thinking of contributing. XLibre, I worry may be a lost cause with how many bridges I feel it’s maintainer has burned with so many people, but he’s also very committed so we’ll see.

  • Snapz@lemmy.world
    9510·
    7 months ago

    OP is posting AI slop and plagiarizing other people’s work. Lead image seems a cyanide and happiness cartoon, but it’s a blatent ripoff, and they watermarked it with their own username to boot. And no communication out transparency around any of that as well

  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
    403·
    7 months ago

    Edit it is so perfectly fitting for the Linux community to respond with mostly criticisms and negations to these flowcharts I shared without a single negative commenter actually suggesting a different similar helpful resource for newbies to Linux who feel overwhelmed or adding something productive and helpful to the conversation.

    Do better y’all.

    You can’t condescend these resources and pretend with a handwave like there are better ones out there, you gotta prove it. If you are going to pick apart these charts then you gotta make a new chart or link me to a better one, I don’t care about your condescending minor criticisms of the specifics of the flowcharts, that is irrelevant input unless you are going to edit a flowchart and make a new one or add something else productive.

    I feel like I am inside a meme making fun of Linux users right now lol.

    https://piefed.blahaj.zone/post/347408

    https://lemmy.ca/post/53099450

    • krashmo@lemmy.world
      78·
      7 months ago

      I appreciate the effort put into this but if answering yes to “are you new to Linux?” leads to the follow up question “apt or rpm?” then there’s a problem.

      • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
        720·
        7 months ago

        Exactly. One is a package format and/or local package utility, and the other is a frontend to do downloads and updates for that local package utility.

        Should be “rpm or dpkg” — assuming that we’re excluding the other options — and then if someone chooses RPM, you can start talking about the frontend:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager

        Front ends

        Several front-ends to RPM ease the process of obtaining and installing RPMs from repositories and help in resolving their dependencies. These include:

        • yum used in Fedora Linux, CentOS 5 and above, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and above, Scientific Linux, Yellow Dog Linux and Oracle Linux
        • DNF, introduced in Fedora Linux 18 (default since 22), Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8, AlmaLinux 8, and CentOS Linux 8.
        • up2date used in Red Hat Enterprise Linux, CentOS 3 and 4, and Oracle Linux
        • Zypper used in Mer (and thus Sailfish OS), MeeGo,[16] openSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise
        • urpmi used in Mandriva Linux, ROSA Linux and Mageia
        • apt-rpm, a port of Debian’s Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) used in Ark Linux,[17] PCLinuxOS and ALT Linux
        • Smart Package Manager, used in Unity Linux, available for many distributions including Fedora Linux.
        • rpmquery, a command-line utility available in (for example) Red Hat Enterprise Linux
        • libzypp, for Sailfish OS

        Then for dpkg, you can choose from among aptitude, apt, apt-get/apt-query/etc, graphical frontend options like synaptic that one may want to use in parallel with the TUI-based frontends, etc.

      • sik0fewl@piefed.caEnglish
        1·
        7 months ago

        Been there, done that. Eventually got fed up with having to wait 30 minutes to several hours to install (build) something just to try it out, not like it and then delete it.

      • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        5·
        7 months ago

        gentoo for small computing power?? no offense, but that’s bonkers 😹

        Why?

        Surely if you’ve low computing power, you want to make the best of it… Gentoo can help with that.

        Tight compile flags, choosing USE flags carefully to be minimal and snug to meet needs, can make a very very lean efficient-running crisp-feeling system for when you’re using it.

        Or, if your concern is more about the package install time, just use the official binhost [the -g option on emerge commands is your friend], and minimise USE flag changes, and then it’s as fast as any other distro with precompiled binary packages.

        • 0x0@lemmy.zip
          11·
          7 months ago

          With the caveat that you’d better cross-compile for the target (low resources) environment unless you’re cold and it’s a long weekend.

    • ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip
      101·
      7 months ago

      Lots of pro-Ubuntu propaganda in those flow charts. At this point, Ubuntu of any flavor shouldn’t be recommended to anyone. There are always better alternatives.

  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
    404·
    7 months ago

    There are many correct distro choices (except Ubuntu), but the only correct desktop environment is KDE Plasma.

    If Cosmic keeps evolving, it could win me over.

    • cRazi_man@europe.pub
      28·
      7 months ago

      People go about it backwards when recommending/choosing. Beginners should be encouraged pick the desktop environment first (my KDE preference excluded the universal recommendation of Mint). Then the next decision should be stability vs fast updates (potential instability); and then ease of finding support for the inevitable problems they run into (beginners might find it easiest to find support for Debian based distros). Then you’ll have a handful of options left and it really makes no difference which of those are picked.

      That being said, I had constant problems when I was starting and the distro with which I managed to get there best start was OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Yet my most downvoted comment ever on Lemmy is suggesting Tumbleweed to beginners.

    • luciferofastora@feddit.org
      10·
      7 months ago

      KDE is good for a first go at Linux. I started with SUSE, ages ago, which was nice enough.

      But by now, I’m just more of a gnome fan. I don’t know how that will change if I dig deeper into window management logic, but right now, it just works for me.

  • Tenderizer@aussie.zoneEnglish
    31·
    7 months ago

    You think choosing your Linux distro is bad, imagine having to choose your electricity, water, internet, phone, banking, and insurance provider as well as your local councillor, workplace, school, career, entertainment, childcare, car, house, food, etc.

    This “love choice, hate choosing” is a really valuable thing to understand.

  • texture@lemmy.world
    271·
    7 months ago

    see heres the problem, youre doing that in the wrong order.

    first figure out your DE/WM preference, THEN choose a package manager with the repos that will best support that for your use case and update cycle preferences. (the distro)