I just spent my lunch break checking out the instance and scrolling through the top weeks posts and checking out the comments.

Hard no.

1. Basically all their posts are political, except very pro-china, pro-marxist, anti-ukraine. Theres not a single post i consider a value add if it appeared in my scroll. Even if I gave the users and their viewpoints the benefit of the doubt, this would be like adding /r/china, /r/russia, /r/communism to my subs. I can't think of a single reason i want this.

2. I'm not giving the users the benefit of the doubt. Their comments are indistinguishable from what a ccp or Russian employee would post.

All we would be doing is opening a potential vector for propagandists to attack. They post nothing of interest.

Nah. No thanks.

One of the lines in the sand for me is when people are unironically pro North Korea. I don't want that on my feed.

And to a lesser extent I don't want to see weird tankie bootlicking of China either. And I'm not talking about legit good things China has done when compared to other superpowers, I'm talking weird posts that read like full propaganda state sponsored bs, and if you disagree with them in any way they will dig through your intire account history to try and find something they can use instead of actually having a discussion about the topic you originally disagreed with.

Authoritarians don't want open discussion they will just link you half a shitty book explaining how there's actually no such thing as authoritarianism.

Edit: I'd like to add that searching lemmygrad for Ukraine will show some really awful takes. I want freedom for Ukraine same as Palestine, Tebet, Hong kong, el Salvador, ect just because the main empire in the west is on the fascism side of authoritarianism doesn't mean I will cozy up to other authoritarians.

No thank you. I have zero interest in dealing with genocide apologists, regardless of their purported idealogical leanings.

Do not defederate from any instance unless they are actively malicious (eg flooding with illegal content, targeting users with harassment/doxxing, or exploiting something). Though the second one is tricky as what constitutes “harassment” is tricky.

A user has the option to block instances if they feel content on said instance is offensive or disagreeable to them.

Rather than deny autonomy to users, refederate, and allow users to practice their own autonomy. If they’re terrified of the spooky leftists they are free to block the instance

Big no.

Echoing from what some others have said, I went back 3 days worth of content from them and found ZERO worthwhile posts.

At least hexbear is somewhat funny in their shit posts, and it's easy enough to block or filter users who constantly post in their begging for money community.

Meanwhileongrad exists for a reason. I'm content enough to see the smoke from the self immolation that happens from afar.

Hexbear is insufferable a lot of the time, no thanks.

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I have slowly grown to appreciate having some hexbear users around to help balance out all the turbolibs.

Same. There's a difference between socialism, anarchism, communitarianism, communism, etc., and too many turbo libs chock all of that rich political tapestry up to "tankies".

While I do think there are dictator apologists out there, I don't see the down side to open communication so long as there's healthy debate. As soon as ad hominems are introduced, where people are attacked and not their ideas, I think that's when we draw the line.

I don't really have any experience with lemmygrad though. Hexbear I've started warming up to. As with Lemmy.ml

Edit: I'd say let's try the month period and see what happens. And if this doesn't work, I don't think that should be the last time we try to federate. We should elect to keep an open mind to see if things change. I do think that dbzer0 should allow users to block entire instances though. One of the reasons I came to dbzer0 is because lemmy.world banned too many instances that I was interested in.

So yeah, count me in. Aye

No.

I usually don't engage with gov-stuff because this instance is running smoothly and the users (& crew) here steer it very well.

But on this I have to vote. Because historically if a left movement came into power, the dogmatic Marxists have always sought to persecute the other, especially more progressive (eg. antiauthoritarian), leftists - even if they cooperated with them before and/or helped the movement to succeed. There is a fascist wave and it is getting worse - but (left) authoritarians are not allies, they're enemies (sooner or later).

I tried to make Hexbear work for a while. I ended up blocking them because they kept wasting my time, having to check any source, and statement I ever saw from them, with basically all then falling apart.
I thought maybe blocking some offending hexbear communities would be enough, but then kept seeing the same pattern on anything hexbear associated. In the end I burned out on it.

I suspect that most others will equally come to the conclusion of instance blocking, which I think makes the pivotal problem here. Can we allow federation with an instance that the vast majority of our userbase has blocked?

On an individual level I agree, that you can "just block lemmygrad/hexbear/ml/world/startrek" if you don't like them for any reason. But that basically leaves interaction with that instance to all the others. It's fine if a few do it, but if most do it, it resigns the platform to uncontested bullshitting from lemmygrads side.

At first that might then load the mods. They can't really block lemmygrad if they have to moderate their communities from them. But then what about the lies, misleading statements, that got me burned out. The stuff not obviously problematic, and not a rule violation either. If noone bothers checking and contesting that, or those few that do argue then get overwhelmed by lemmygrad votes and downvoted into oblivion on those enclave threads, then the uncensored state of your instance posts will be hell and we will simply be closing our eyes to it with the blocking.

At that point, other instances will come to know us as the ones with lemmygrad brigading in our posts, and the easy solution there is not to figure out how to get rid of the lemmygrad stuff bleeding thru their own defederation, but to simply instance block us.

In summary, I don't think personal instance blocking helps with the nazibar problem. We can only federate if enough people will not block lemmygrad.

No. Does not sound appealing. Refed with them so a huge chunk of us get fed up and have to manually block, knowing they're still nominally connected to the instance? I really don't want to be surrounded by that stuff nor by people being influenced by it.

Edit: Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I dislike it. If you hop over there and read many of their posts, they don't just lean hard left/right, they are in a genuinely alternate reality. Like, you could move some of their posts to an alt-history roleplay and they'd make more sense. I'm down to hear different views, but I want them stemming from this reality. Harder no than before.

I’m enthusiastic about opportunities for pan-leftist collaboration in the face of outright fascism across western states. I think a trial period is sensible. This may even benefit folks that are against federation with ml because this will generate more evidence to support defederation if they deserve it. I feel like this re-evaluation is warranted given the (i expect) influx of lemm.ee users to dbzer0

They default to light mode even with my theming set to dark, and that appals me more than their politics ever could. The medium is the message, and the medium makes me physically recoil in pain.

They're more earnest than hexbear, so ill be more likely to find personal confict, but who cares.

Otherwise dont object to a trial; fucking can't with the shitlibs. Any counterweight.