Just know that everyone on that list is a violent extremist including me
I don’t get it. Is this some personal vendetta the dev has? Have they really been in this many internet arguments? Where did this list come about and why?
Here’s their full explanation: https://lemmy.world/post/49817942
It’s pretty long and includes some insightful details about implementation (making the blocklist’s usage at the discretion of the instance admin though not transparent of its contents and defaulting it to enabled) but this quote boils down the underlying sentiment pretty well:
“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off so we might actually be able to retain some level headed people instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel by being a dumping ground for people rejected by civil society."
When you examine the list, by and large, it’s pretty reasonable. Lots of false news, state propaganda, spammers, etc. But also the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance (where many of lemmy’s trans denizens call home). We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
I’ll give a short description of the long post.
also, I have to call him not just a dumbass but a malicious dumbass.
“Someone leaked the list. Why am I on it??”
A: The list was never hidden just not advertised (lest people game it). I also could have encrypted it, but I merely compressed it for efficiency. If you’re on the list, then one of the 10 reasons above applies.
the file in question was placed obscurely. updated without directly calling out what it was. and published without notifying users.
seems a lot of effort went into obfuscating the true purpose of the file.
while on the subject of obfuscation. he claimed he “compressed it for efficiency”.
he compressed it, then base64 encoded it. why? why compress it to only expand the size of the file by encoding it??
@ptz@dubvee.org is a dumbass and a shitty dev if he thinks any of the bullshit he said was worth the time it took to say it.
This shit is rich
I did [bad thing]. I could have done [worst thing], but I didn’t.
We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
That’s fucked up. And he’s the self-appointed “nice” [secret]police? Yikes.
Really? I’m malicious spammer, hate-monger or blackhat state actor? News to me, but good to know.
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
Don’t worry I’m on that list too. I’m just a grumpy reddit refugee. Apparently I’m an extreme violent leftist terrorist, so
¯\(ツ)/¯
I know, I think it’s funny. But someone has to call out the guy who’s agreeing with Admiral Patrick and always seems to have a space/star trek themed name. Either an excellent shit poster that I get to set up, or it’s one of their buddies/alts.
Yeah that comment was about you specifically. Sorry you had to find out that way
“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off
I’m a rough edge!
All of this shit falls flat when the dev themself admits they hid the feature to disable deep in the app and even called it “toxic mode”. Is saying “perchance” toxic? Because that’s one of their blocked phrases. Fuck no, it’s not. This is just shit the personally dislike and put it in under the guise of making the fediverse more normie friendly.
As if silently hiding content with phrases like “perchance” and causing a massive drama makes the fediverse more normie friendly.
You’re assuming his apologia is not disingenuous. The notes he added in the commit messages and the extent to which he blocked users who were indirectly implicated in his accusations don’t line up with his explanations.
There’s also the fact that much of it is caught under a very broad net of “promoting violence” without any examples provided of what constitutes such a thing. He used that exact explanation to justify banning blahaj.zone, where he said that some users did so and the admins did not act on it, which prompted him to blacklist the entire instance and the admins specifically.
This isn’t even getting into the intentional inaccuracies about the nature of his “Toxic Mode”, or his entire rant on db0 which is not only dishonest and weirdly personal, but also straight up lying about what happened and why. There’s zero way to say that exposing his blacklist is “going Karen” like he did, and it’s a straight lie to say that nobody had a problem with his blacklisting until db0 complained when the situation is that db0 made the existence of the blocklist known.
The philosophy of federation is that such whims should be openly handled on the federation level, not in a secret blacklist of a front end that was openly available to all.
some personal vendetta
Seems like it’s hubris / arrogance - a poorly considered attempt to create some kind of ideal social experience.
Been reading up on it a bit, yeah, seems to be the case indeed. Shame it went that way for them.
They thought they could covertly silence leftists and trans people. Par for the course with bigoted fascists.
It seems they want to silence any kind of hate speech, so I guess some hateful leftists or aggressive trans people (as few as there may be) felt discriminated.
Hate speech is speech encouraging/justifying violence based on inherent characteristics, such as race, gender, sexuality, etc, not just speech you hated lmao.
They posted an explanation in the tesseract community, but it boils down to they want the fediverse to succeed and replace reddit, but there is a contingent of toxic users that they feel is hindering that goal so they precompiled a list for new instance admins.
It’s fully optional and can easily be disabled in the UI
It is not fully optional. It was obfuscated and unremovable. That’s why the backlash has been so severe.
Not to mention, why should a user interface make that decision? That’s up to individual server admins and their userbase.
Fully agree on the weirdness that this would somehow be the concern of a frontend. Nah brh. Very strange.
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The author offers a lengthy explanation in their own words as to precisely why this was done. TLDR: people are free to stop using it, but he’s making these changes because he wants to offer this service on behalf of those who don’t enjoy all the toxicity here.
Lmfao. I didn’t make it more than a few paragraphs because it’s written with the maturity of a 10 year old in a chocolate sausage museum.
You can really tell they’re up for an honest and open conversation with the community, really trying to improve the Fediverse, with their locking of all comments.
He’s clearly the toxic one and is projecting his issues onto hundreds of others.
Lol. TIL I’m a violent extremist. Me. Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.
The world this guy lives in must be truly weird.
Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.
That is like the quintessential serial killer description by his neighbors.
“It’s the quiet ones you gotta watch” -George Carlin
I mean, to be fair, here is that entire paragraph for context:
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
Based on this, it is much more likely that you are an alt of Dwazou. (Or maybe I am? 🤪 Statistically, between the three of us, you me and the author, ONE of us must be!!)
Maybe we both are. I’m not sure we’d know…
Why are you talking to yourself? /j
people are not “free to stop using it” if the instance admin is using it.
honestly I don’t even give a fuck about me being on “the list” anymore. I’m more upset that he decided for hundreds if not thousands of users without consulting them or taking into consideration of their opinions.
he took the choice away from them, and that’s kind of the problem with tech anymore.
@ptz@dubvee.org is a scammy piece of shit that got caught and is attempting to do damage control now.
don’t his users and his users users deserve transparency?
Yes they do but the irony present in your reply is palpable.
Incels upon being told no simply create an alt to evade bans.
Tesseract bans them anyway.
WoN’t SoMeOnE pLeAsE tHiNk oF tHe
childrenBaN eVaDeRs?!Sadge :-(
I think you missed the point.
I won’t bother wasting my time explaining it, I’ll just block you.
because I have the choice to do that
Your TLDR reeeeeeealllllly buries the lede.
Fair, I guess that was more my own take-away from it than summary! :-P
Eh, I guess my opinion is somewhat colored by seeing some of the things they decided to block. Like “perchance” stood out. None of that specific information was in this post.
THAT list is able to be disabled, though people are mad about its discoverability and transparency.
The OTHER list, the smaller instance-level one, reportedly cannot be disabled, seemingly the only recourse for those instances on it are to use his fork of the code.
This is from db0’s reporting, I have not attempted to confirm personally, but I would be happy to be corrected if need be.
Honestly, with this block list, what’s actually left in terms of content? That list would surely account for half this platform’s traffic or more.
Yeah it’s not for me either, but I also believe that people have a right to not have other’s speech or behavior forced upon them, which is kind of exactly what ActivityPub was created to facilitate and what separates it from corporate platforms.
Goddamn I’m not just banned as a user, I’m banned as a specific userRegex. That makes me 2x more extremist than the average banned user.
Get on my level you losers.
Am an average joe, and i also got banned via regex.
So you are not thaat extremist, just an average joe level extremist
Tesseract users losing access to your comments is a realitaetsverlustverlust 🤪
I’m also under userRegex. What does that designation mean exactly?
It means that any user with that username on any instance will be blocked. No matter if you’re on lemmy.world, piefed.zip or asldkfjalsdifjlasdf.mobi.
Ah, thanks. That’s what I thought, but as this is my only Lemmy account it seemed like overkill
Hey, thanks. I had heard about the list but didn’t know where to find it. Turns out I’m on it, too. Badge of honor.
Same. I even got a whole ass regex.
Holy fuck I made the list wow
Yeah, I didn’t know I had it in me! Death to Zionism. Such violence.
s/ism/ists/g
oops, made a violence
First read as violet extremist and thought the blacklist was about armpit lickers.
Adding to my vernacular.👅
I’m on a list. This is a big day for me.
Maaaan guess I need to post more
I’m not on the list, and have been thinking if they want to curate their instance/app whatever it was that’s their right.
But “Jessi?e Welle?s” is on the list? I get he’s political, but if you don’t like what he’s saying I think I’d rather associate with the people on the list because if they’re being put next to Jessie they’re probably good people.
At this point they should just have a whitelist, that’s a hell of a list! There’s some users I recognise from my instance who are chill so I can’t imagine how they ended up on this list.
What the fuck did violet do to make the list?
I feel like one of the things he said was that he blacklisted people who “regularly post things normal people don’t want to see” (or something along those lines). I assumed that was a blanket statement to cover Violet and anyone else whose posts have made him feel uncomfortable.
What an absolute snowflake.
Not a single SDF user? I guess we’re a peaceful bunch
Nah I got a regex on the list and I used to post as an SDF user (same name).
How do I apply for the list
Proof it,or shut up. /s
no 40 checking in!
hey you wanna eat some random shit
Tesseract dev: “I made a list of people who willfully misconstrue things to create drama and play the victim”.
people on that list: “OHH WOW SO I’M A VIOLENT EXTREMIST NOW???”
Are you trying to create drama and play the victim while complaining about other people supposedly creating drama and playing the victim?
They have a cure for that, it’s called fucking off.
im no victim i’m the winner here lol
Winners are well-regarded for doing everything you’re doing.
nice
Cunt
TIL the wholesome yuri community are violent extremists.
you learned that? where?
did you read the devs reply?, He definitely wasn’t saying this was for annoying people who misconstrue things
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
I’m not an alt of dwazou, or a spammer so guess that just leaves violent extremist.
To the fascist nazi scumbag, “violent extremist” means anyone that opposes genocide, anyone that has espoused consequences for murder, torture, and oppression, or anyone that has ever made fun of Charlie “Goebbels” Kirk.
IIRC they said that who is on the list is either extremist or toxic
yeah not putting up with assholes is toxic, didn’t you know
Some even proudly so, from the looks of things:-P.
they’re allowed lol
smug levels off the charts. gross.
Honestly, incels have a greater need than normies for a space on the internet where they can be as toxic as they like. On account of nobody willing to listen to them irl… 🤣
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society
They already have Twitter and Reddit!
And Twitch (where “sadge” derives from, according to my Google-fu), and Tiktok, and Instagram, and don’t forget Lemmy, and… but the thing is, when you’ve been banned from ALL of those, where else do you go next, other than a free instance with an open sign-up policy? 🤪
Seriously, I wanted to open a PR to add myself to the list, but the fucker took the repo offline because he couldn’t handle the backlash. Wussy.
My internet poisoned brain trying to figure out what permutation of pussy starts with w
Woman’s pussy
I’m not on the list. But I’m banned from Reddit, so I got that going for me, which is nice.
I left reddit before they started extreme ban hammer , and i didn’t make the tesseract list. Wtf am i even doing with my life?
Have you checked the Dubvee ban logs? You might have been banned there years ago with even knowing it. Without even having known that instance existed. If that will make you feel any better. Happened to me. Through some weird automated ban sync process. Now I’ve learned the Dubvee admin is the tesseract dev who did all this, I didn’t even bother checking if I’m on the list. I’m feeling pretty hipster about all this.
Not only are you on the list, you have an instance-agnostic regex. Congratulations, you are likely a good person.
Now I’ve learned the Dubvee admin is the tesseract dev who did all this
Oh, that’s why they’d exclude modabuse communities
Meanwhile I have no idea what everyone is talking about. “Tesseract” huh? Guess I go outside too much…
Tesseract was a frontend for lemmy. Think of lemmy posts as emails, and the front end as your email client like outlook/gmail/etc. Normally you would expect your email client to show you your emails. But tesseract basically implemented a shadow ban list on users, communities, and phrases. And all of this was invisible to the server admins who hosted the tesseract frontend for their users. If you were banned by tesseract then people using that front ends just wouldn’t see your post’s, but you wouldn’t show as banned in the tesseract UI. In the email example this is the equivalent of your gmail seeing you said “fuck ice” a year ago and now it’ll let you send emails but not actually deliver them for people to read. But it wasn’t just “fuck ice” it was a whole bunch of things like criticizing moderators, left and right wing ideas. And GirlsFrontline (anime style game) was banned but not porn. Just weird. And it did all of this by loading the ban list as obfuscated code at runtime so just zero transparency all around.
If someone wanted to make a less extreme lemmy then they could be open about their front end goals and not try to hide it like a punk ass bitch
So what does this mean? I’m shadowbanned for some Lemmy users because I’m too leftist?
Yes. Anyone and anything on the blocklist will be shadowbanned for anyone using the Tesseract frontend.
sweet, I’m on the list
I take this as a good sign
Being a loser. Git gud bro. (Jk I’m also not on the list and I’m not aware of being banned on reddit but I left before the extreme ban hammer too)
Hell yea fam. I checked the other day and my banned account is still a mod on numerous subs I modded. Nice to know my homies left me there.
Cause you a real 1
same. not on the list and got temporary banned today lol
love how literally everyone on lemmy is clowning on tesseract and that mofo
Got tesserekt lmao
Its one of those moments which just makes you really happy to be here
Everyone knows what this means but nobody knows what it’s from.
“I was to your left”
Is that a movie or something?
Obsession.
I never watched more than a few episodes of Frasier, but I remember a commercial for an episode of it - one I unsuccessfully tried to find online just now. I shall paraphrase:
Niles(?): “What perfume is that?”
Unknown woman: “It’s ‘Obsession.’”
Niles: “No, it’s not, I was just curious, really.”
I hope you have enjoyed this flawed reenactment.
I think the movie is obsession
Thank you
I know what it’s from and I can’t stop thinking about it.
I still haven’t seen the movie, but I’ve seen a synopsis of the movie.
I am so disappointed.
But I’m hopeful.
Because what I really want to see is part two of this movie where a random group of like a hundred people get one and they know it will grant one wish and what wishes they make and what the consequences of a hundred random people across the world having a single wish granted all at the same time or within like the same few weeks.
Mothers grieving over their dead children who wished to be able to fly, but never thought about landing.
Competition from 10 or 15 people who wish to be the richest person in the world one after the other and having their wish granted only to be killed a day later by the next person who wishes to be the richest person in the world and having all of their riches transferred to that person.
People wishing for magic and being haunted by demons.
People wishing that their lost loved ones would come back to life and having the undead rise.
There is so much potential in this concept if I just hope somebody has the balls to actually reach out and go for it because it would be such a good movie.
You’re looking for Bruce Almighty.
But as a thriller slash horror movie, not as a comedy.
I still haven’t seen the movie, but I’ve seen a synopsis of the movie.
So, I feel like they leaned a bit hard on jump-scares to deliver the horror element. But the Wishing Willow is really just a vehicle for the plot, it’s not important to the plot. The story is about male loneliness and youthful impatience and not being able to see past your own unhappiness to recognize the importance of other people.
And it’s also about Inde Navarrette hitting it out of the fucking park with her acting.
Don’t get hung up on the magical realism of the MacGuffin that kicks off the movie’s 2nd Act. If you enjoy a good popcorn horror/thriller and don’t mind liberal use of gross-out material, it’s a stellar film.
Adding to this: the lighting work was fantastic. Lots of darkness and silhouettes really added to the creepiness.
I still wonder what it is I said/posted that did it. Was it the Luigi pictures? The guillotine images? Or my relentless disdain for all things Microslop?
why not ask him?
@ptz@dubvee.org what dumbshit things did we say that hurt your fragile ego?
oh never mind, I’m on the block list too.
If anyone gets ahold of him ask how I earned such high praise.
If you’re on .world and you haven’t been hassled over Luigi comments, I’d say your comments have been relatively tame.
What do you mean? I think all CEOs should be Luigi-ed.
Don’t forget eaten afterwards!
Why not force them to kill and eat eachother slowly over the course of a year or two? Every time around lunch, just toss a stick in the pit and let them sort it out.
We would supply food ourselves, of course, but that’s socialism. They should feel at home in a competitive environment.
Yeah, how do I get on that list? Seems like the hot list right now.
Is there like, a website, or a form? Do I need to fail an IQ test? You know, like cops can’t score greater than 80 on an IQ test.
The shibboleth is as follows:
Death to Moe!
Abolish guillotines.
Yuri, perchance?
Post this exactly at midnight, three days in a row, at the appointed place.
You can’t just say perchance
And get it wet
Just think of what would piss a pedohitler hooligan and be it publicly. Try to state it often so they can notice you eventually. It’s considered a bonus if you make it to the regex user list because it means they want you silenced even if you try to bounce instance.
Good luck!
You just need to be fucking awesome. I’m on it, by the way.
call @ptz@dubvee.org a fascist pig and he’ll add you to the list evidently.
I have no idea what tesseract is and at this point, I’m too afraid to ask.
It’s a front end layout that makes for fancy visual customization of lemmy.
You can check it out from your own instance by going to https://t.lemmy.world/ (that might be an older version though? at one point Tesseract development was frozen but then it later resumed).
Your instance sidebar also mentions several other alternative UIs:
https://a.lemmy.world/ - Alexandrite UI https://photon.lemmy.world/ - Photon UI https://m.lemmy.world/ - Voyager mobile UI https://old.lemmy.world/ - A familiar UI https://blorp.lemmy.world/ - Blorp UI
I would like to submit my application.
Fuck the establishment, down with tesseract and its shitty dev, roll some heads for peace.
xxx swooper
Welp, you’ve definitely made my list <3
Let’s get this list party started!
Me too please.
Political violence is a nessicary to protect the vulnerable and pretending all violence is the same is chosing the side that already controls what is considered “violence”.
Congrats!
Did you even say
thank youperchance?Oh no, application rejected! Haha
Perchance I can join the list 🥺?👉👈
In all seriousness: how did they think it was a good idea to create a blacklist when a sizable chunk of the Fediverse is so against external interference in general? Did they not see this coming?
They did. Why else would they hide it?
the question mark only means the first emoji is optional. If you explicitly add it the RegExp unfortunately doesn’t match it anymore and you will forever be a rightist or whatever
In all fairness many lemmy mods are assclowns and ban for no reason similarly.
Yup, using the Lemmy modding tools so it shows up on the modlog.
This was done in secret and for other instances without their consent.
Free Palestine!!!
Does tesseract dev support Israel?
Not to speak for them, but my understanding is they abhor all calls to violence… And paradoxically, supporting Palestinian freedom is maybe a call to violence?
I don’t want to make claims that don’t exist, but that’s how I could explain them blocking statements like this.
And to be clear, yes, free Palestine!
In all fairness, genocidal states are rarely overthrown peacefully
Wasn’t Admiral Patrick one of the devs that got caught upvoting all the Zionist propoganda posts like a year and a half ago? I wished I saved that thread. None of the most egregious Zionists accounts are on the ban list even though they are very abrasive and political extremists. I wouldn’t be surprised if the rest was just a cover for that.
Using the word Zionist or the Epstein Class hides your comment :/ and I swear every account that’s critical of Israel is on that list.
Funny thing is, an awful lot of actually dangerous extremists won’t be on that list, because they don’t post the shit they’re doing on the Internet.
Love how people turned fact of being banned in an achievement. For some reason this doesn’t happen for communities.
I’m proudly banned from ml.
How does one go about checking that?
Although you can generally just check the modlog from your own instance which is linked in most footers, you can also check the source: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=12387134
Only ban I see in your history is from lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world from a couple years ago.
Very cool. Thank you!
Well, this is an exception, I guess.
Love the username btw 🍌
Yes it does, unfortunately.
Hahahahaha. People post their site bans from grad all the time.
I think most of the people on the blocklist are not people I want to talk to. But you can fuck off if you’re going to put that shit in a public client. Let people manage what they want to see by themselves.
I recognized a few names on there as brain dead trolls or politically extreme zealots. I’m sure some are fine and maybe just got on the devs nerves for something petty or isolated, but either way you’re right, let people manage their shit. Tired of people thinking they can nanny everyone else or tell others what to do or think or feel.
Edit:just to add, I also know one person on the list outside of Lemmy comments and they are a great person. They probably had one angry comment and the Dev took exception to that.
Sometimes you are just going to piss people off no matter what. Shit lemmy grew as the 2024 election in the U.S. grew. If users from the U.S. weren’t bitching about politics or calling others names… Then we probably deserve the current state
The first person I looked up had an extremely inflammatory slogan as their cover picture. The sentiment was anti-israel, so I expect most people here, including myself, at least broadly (possibly wholeheartedly) agree with his general stance, but I think such slogans are wrong and unhelpful so… yeah.
They put in blahaj in its entirety and that instance is a good 90% the people I ever want to talk to.
The instances, according to his rambling post, were blocked because of admin stances on violence. I’m sure you’ve seen violent posts on Lemmy calling for people to be Luigid or whatever.
Similar to my stance on individuals, I think that stuff crosses a line and needs to be removed from the fediverse, but again it’s not the place of a front-end developer to enforce that, especially not by muting the entire instance.
I think if he’s right about instance admins, there’s an argument to use the existing mechanism (defederation) which won’t make me very popular, but hopefully clarifies where I stand.
It’s a sign you don’t post enough. This includes myself.
I haven’t posted much, and yet…
