• Denixen@feddit.nu
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    3 hours ago

    Nuclear power: provides stable power year round, then has one unplanned interruption to power production in 44 years.

    “Look! Nuclear so bad, it doesn’t work!”

    Renewables: has interruptions to power production literally every day.

    “This is great! I can’t turn my lights on half the time and got no heating at winter, but its great!”

    How are you people thinking? I get nuclear power is more expensive, but it is the only reliable carbon dioxide-free power source during winter and nights and it always will be. We clearly need both.

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      I’m a firm believer in nuclear, but I think that’s a garbage argument against renewable since we have batteries, and other means of energy storage like reservoirs. And now China is lifting a building and dropping it for power. The US is introducing batteries that last 24 hours for data center use.

      Honestly, the energy storage sector is interesting to watch right now. There are seemingly endlessly researched designs for energy storage that have never made it to market. But now all of a sudden when data centers are realizing there’s not enough power on the grid, now they’re hitting market. To an extent, I get supply and demand. But the energy storage infrastructure hitting the market now isn’t from recent ground breaking innovations. This shit could have been implemented years ago.

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      It’s also now more expensive than renewables. And it has always been less safe. There is literally no reason to build nuclear anymore. Renewables is the way to go. Cheaper, safer, makes Europe energy-independent, and also much better for the environment.

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        You are patiently incorrect nuclear has in total killed approximately 4,000 people over the last hundred year period.

        Renewables have killed closer to 180,000.

        You can look it up. This is a direct apples to apples comparison. Chernobyl vs a couple of dam failures.

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      Well, most of the time you would be right indeed. Uranium fuel rods are solid. But in a molten-salt reactor the fissile material is actually dissolved in molten salt, so it is a solution!

      The more you know!

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          Nope, they’re less expensive too because they don’t need to operate at high pressures like PWRs, so they don’t need a whole containment structure around it to keep the pressure in and they are more efficient because they can run at higher temperatures.

          Research is expensive, but once that’s done (which we are nearing), the life cycle costs are lower with increased efficiency.

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    Wow, all that super stable, super reliable base load energy is just mindblowing!! Let’s build more nuclear power plants!

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      Let’s build more nuclear power plants!

      If we had done that early on we wouldn’t have global warming and there wouldn’t be a cool water shortage.

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        It’s more relevant what we should/can do now than what we should’ve done years ago, no?

        I mean, obviously learn from history and not make the same mistakes, but it’s also not necessarily the case that whatever would’ve been the solution back then, still is today.

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        but that’s not true. Electricity only accounts for about 18% of emissons, its non renewable, you’d have a waste pile the size of a mountain, would have run out of fuel by now and you’d need to start decommissioning most of them and rebuilding them

        There’s a persist myth that some technology can just magic a fix here, nothing short of vastly reduced energy consumption, and lifestyle changes can work, 10000 aging nuclear reactors that need replacing ain’t going to cut it.

        an example ?

        we’d get a 30% reduction in emissions if the richest 10% loved like the average European, not enough but an excellent start

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      if you looked at what is going on, you would see that bulk of the missing energy in hungarian grid is supplied from czech and slovak grids, where half or so energy is supplied from nuclear powerplants that don’t have such problems https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/CZ/72h/hourly

      not to mention the french, who put bunch of their reactors near shore and won’t ever have problems with cooling, and so export 10-15GW every day

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        Even if solar panels get buried under a mudslide, you can just build new solar panels very quickly. If that would happen to a nuclear plant, you would need to wait 10+years for a new one.

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        The thing is that this is a really desperate measure. The danube is one of Europes biggest rivers. That nuclear power plant was build with water inlets. That plant has been there for ages as every nuclear plant in Europe is old as fuck. That rock has been there also a long time. Having to blast it to help a little bit in order to save the reactor producing so much energy that the other plants in the country can’t take over, is desperate as fuck

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        Yeah, right. Those totally predictable mud slides that happen every summer and are expected to increase in frequency and duration with climate change… 🤣