• PugJesus@piefed.socialMEnglish
    12·
    3 个月前

    … uh, the link doesn’t really back up the meme, considering that the only action of the Clintons involved is the restoration of President Aristide to Haiti.

    • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
      51·
      3 个月前

      Ok so … some (many) believe (claim also) that the USA under Clinton precipitated the coup for US economic interests.

      Not the most crazy thing all things considered.

      Now, imo, no matter how you look at it when people rise up and oust a ruler it’s a bad look to big dick your way back in and reinstate that ruler years later.

      So either a fucked up move caused a power vacuum and we had to admit how bad an idea it was, and reverse course through force

      OR

      we chose to subvert the will of the people

      Under Clinton.

      If you look at the first, and depending on your worldview possibly most probable scenario, they had free and fair elections the world was happy about and we said “no not like that”

      One of those situations where we will only definitively know the truth if we discover positive proof that they did the coup, as the details surrounding it have enough “what if” and coincidence.

      • PugJesus@piefed.socialMEnglish
        8·
        3 个月前

        Ok so … some (many) believe (claim also) that the USA under Clinton precipitated the coup for US economic interests.

        Not the most crazy thing all things considered.

        That would be extremely difficult considering the coup was in '91, and Clinton wasn’t president until '93. Unless someone is asserting he had a hand in it as governor of Arkansas.

        Now, imo, no matter how you look at it when people rise up and oust a ruler it’s a bad look to big dick your way back in and reinstate that ruler years later.

        Uh. And what about when a military clique ousts a democratically elected ruler?

        • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
          11·
          3 个月前

          Yeah my timeline is off, Clinton wasn’t president yet so that’d be bush and co, then Clinton putting em back.

          The only thing that changes, imo, is adding the Bushs to the meme alongside the Clintons

          Uh. And what about when a military clique ousts a democratically elected ruler?

          This is one of those “the Jedi are evil from my perspective” scenarios.

          • PugJesus@piefed.socialMEnglish
            7·
            3 个月前

            Yeah my timeline is off, Clinton wasn’t president yet so that’d be bush and co, then Clinton putting em back.

            The only thing that changes, imo, is adding the Bushs to the meme alongside the Clintons

            “Bush did something bad (assuming the coup was initiated by the US government, itself a very dubious claim to begin with), therefore, Clinton reversing it makes Clinton bad too”?

            Fuck man, the Clintons have a laundry list of actual sins to pick from.

            This is one of those “the Jedi are evil from my perspective” scenarios.

            … democracy is evil from your perspective?

            • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
              11·
              3 个月前

              No. Democracy is not evil from my perspective.

              I’m saying I don’t think I am both informed enough OR involved enough to have a really good take on the events.

              I was replying to you.

              Sometimes coups are good, sometimes they are bad, the end result of the coup was bad and if you take any stock in the US being behind it then the Clinton’s putting him back is bad.

              That’s the answer to the question you asked, I’m not trying to take a side here specifically in these comments even if I’d be apt to believe that it was well intentioned.

              • PugJesus@piefed.socialMEnglish
                5·
                3 个月前

                I’m saying I don’t think I am both informed enough OR involved enough to have a really good take on the events.

                … then why are you proposing a take on the events if you don’t think you’re informed enough?

                Sometimes coups are good, sometimes they are bad, the end result of the coup was bad and if you take any stock in the US being behind it then the Clinton’s putting him back is bad.

                … the end result of the coup was bad…

                … therefore…

                … restoring the president who held power before the coup is bad…

                … but only if the US was behind it?

                Fucking what?

                That’s the answer to the question you asked, I’m not trying to take a side here specifically in these comments even if I’d be apt to believe that it was well intentioned.

                You are very clearly taking a side, considering that your initial comment is entirely about “no matter how you look at it” that the actions of the Clinton administration subverted the will of the people.

                • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
                  1·
                  3 个月前

                  I feel like you’re twisting my meaning to incite an argument I’m not trying to have or back.

                  Sometimes coups are good, sometimes bad. End of thought.

                  The end result of the coup in Haiti was “it was bad”. End of thought.

                  If you think the USA was behind the coup, the coup that turned out to be bad, then you probably think the Clintons returning him to power was also bad. End of thought.

    • acockworkorangeOPEnglish
      4·
      3 个月前

      So I found this on know your meme while looking for the original quote. If I’d done it, I’d probably pick the French. And I normally admire them, but what they did to Haiti is inexcusable.