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PolandIsAStateOfMind to memes@hexbear.netEnglish · 1 year ago

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PolandIsAStateOfMind to memes@hexbear.netEnglish · 1 year ago
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  • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Lassalle was probably to the left of most of the DSA tbh

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      I feel like my local DSA regulars would fit in ideologically here, but perhaps mediate and tone down their message to appeal to libs which unfortunately doesn’t work because the function of liberalism is to pacify nascent leftism.

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    Is Lassalle the same Lassalle who Marx allegedly called a few racial slurs?

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      Yes. He’s an early social democrat.

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      apparently the original german of the letter refers to more of a anti-semitic slur rather than the n-word

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        Wait, but Marx was Jewish, right?

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          Ethnically he was part Jewish through his father, but his father was a Christian convert.

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            So why would he call someone a Jewish slur? I don’t understand that part. Unless he hated his Jewish side.

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              The simplest answer is that he had very little connection to his Jewish heritage as a cultural Christian who was very assimilated with white, Christian Germany, and had some elements of personal chauvinism. While he opposed antisemitism as a political movement targeting Jewish people and blaming them for societal ills, that doesn’t mean that he liked Jews personally.

              Another possibility is that he said it without any particular concern for racial ideology because it’s just something people said, and he was callous to the manner in which using such terms reinforce racial ideology. Like how some people say b***h but don’t particularly have the thought in their head “this dude is like a negative example of a woman” but are just following the surface level social meaning of “coward,” which is still a bad thing to do because it’s inconsiderate of how the language is harmful, but reflects a different internal attitude.

              I’m not a philologist at all, let alone for Marx’s time and place, so I can’t really evaluate whether it is one of these or something else.

              I do think it’s a significant element that this is like the only known case of him saying this (and it was somewhat casually in a personal letter), and that’s not for a lack of personal correspondences from him. We have a lot and I think this is the only case. I think he was just being flippant.

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      yeah he shouldn’t have said that stuff

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