This is the kind of content the .ml admins cultivate through their bans and censorship. They’ll frequently remove articles from credible good sources that directly go against their narratives, while allowing misinformation and conspiracy websites to include RT, Sputnik and (as shown) random substack blogs as long as they tow the narratives that align with them.
E.g. Ukraine is a Nazi regime and Russia is just “liberating” the Ukrainian people
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They’re still pushing the “Ukraine are Nazis, here’s zero proof!” narrative?
This is all just what I remember from research years ago, but at one point there was a pretty large chunk of nazis/sympathizers in azov specifically. They cracked down on extremism since then, but it’s conceivable there’s a few left.
Now using that to call every single Ukrainian servicemember and child a nazi to justify actual imperialism? Average braindead tankie take.
They cracked down on extremism since then, but it’s conceivable there’s a few left.
Also the most extreme ones are the ones that died first and after broad mobilization the relative proportion shrank naturally. That’s just maths.
And even if these two were not the case, Ukraine has a simple explanation:
When asked about one of the two Russian groups fighting on Ukraine’s side, one being extreme racists who want to make Russia smaller to get rid of regions with non-Russian ethnicities, a government official, maybe even Zelensky personally, said to the press that Ukraine does not have the luxury to pick who fights on their side when the alternative is rape and genocide.
It’s a weird kind of projection. The Russian military is full of nazis. Not that’s it’s surprising since nazis tend to gravitate towards the military. Wagner for example was founded by and full of nazis, but tankies seem to be OK with that.
Do they know how Wagner got its name?
‘a few left’ LOL
Sure changing their logo makes those Azov warcriminals instantly democratic.
There are at least 7 other batallions openly nazi and they have infested the rest of that country.
Only last week the Ukrainian government made this POS fascist the new head of its history institution.(for doing revisionism and whitewashing warcrimes).
He has a history of being a fascist and was press secretary of Andriy BiletskyHere have some fun reading 100’s of ‘not proof’
Yeah, so here’s the thing. The Azov Battalion was a Nazi force up until they were obliterated during the Mariupol massacre. It’s since been somewhat denazified but they still continue to fly the modified wolfsangel. This is all the Russians can point to. But remember the Russian Wagner group? They too were full fledged Nazis so it’s utterly stupid for Putin to point fingers. But that’s not the point, it’s just a very flimsy reason for the Russians to justify the invasion.
Actually they posted this
zero proof LOL
They’re immensely proud of it
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This is also why people think Lemmy is nothing but tankies because they’re ok with that image.
Which is why I advocate for pushing large instances, like .world, to defederate as they have for the other 2 instances in the Triad
We can’t force .ml offline and we can’t force them to install an actually unbiased and fair admin team.
But we can control our association with them, if the rest of the network defeds from them at the very least we can all say “yea they’re there, but we’ve cut ourselves off from them because they’re nuts” and I think that could go very far
the fascist on his crusade.
Time for the red army to denazify Europe again.
i’m so glad piefed is picking up steam! once voyager support is good i’m done with lemmy and donating to piefed
Still waiting for that to jump ship
I recommended to people to go to Lemmy, and then I got told “you mean the place where it is full of tankies?” Tankies give the entire community a bad name.
interestingly, a healthy portion of thethreadiverse is quite anti-tankie precisely because of these instances.
Username doesn’t check out.
Cry more
Okay, but communism is dead. Go cheer lead a corpse. You do you.
Keep believing that.
OnE mOaR TrY! PlEaSe! It WiLl wOrK nExT tImE!
LOL worked pretty well against the western nazis.
They wpould be all dead if the US/UK hadn’t saved some.
Definitely will finish the job next time.
I’ll gladly help.
You can go to the Ostfront like those dead fash.But USSR collapsed and China became communist in name only that produced more billionaires than the US. How is communism alive and did well? Russia is not even communist anymore and you support them?
Tankies always cracks me up. Tanks for your terminally online joke of a presence! You just keep writing jokes to your foreheads!
Directly. Numatic clearly said donations go directly to funding .ml since it’s used for testing updates.
The story at present has 9 upvotes, 12 downvotes. The OP posted:
If any salty Nazi cheerleaders want to complain that this isn’t a news source, you’re wrong. This is an active military correspondent’s blog giving a timeline for events which are not debatable. Better luck next time.
… which has 4 upvotes and 1 downvote.
I would bet money that one or two of the upvotes on it are from the .ml moderation/admin team.
I tried using lemvotes.org to check the votes, but I have had trouble getting that site to work for checking votes on some comments. Not sure why.
Edit: also having trouble checking votes on the post as well. Odd.
I think lemmy.ml defederated from them.
Every other site more or less doesn’t care. Your Lemmy votes are not private. But, lemmy.ml as always cares deeply about controlling the narrative, and talking about who is voting and how and how often particular .ml users feature in the voting patterns, disrupts their ability to pretend that they’re standing up for normalcy and a handful of isolated “liberal” instances are the weird ones who love censorship.
it would be incredible if they convinced .world to share their vote data instead of having their own instance
It’s not really necessary; 100% of what you need gets federated out to anyone who asks for it, so it’s pretty easy to just set up a little instance for yourself and then do whatever data mining you want to do.
but for things like lemvotes, they can block the faux-instance that they’ve created to get the data… if they were to get the data via .world it’d be almost impossible (without inside information) to know who to block - and it’s .world, so blocking that is a big choice
You’re betting that they would be unwilling to block .world in a way that they would be willing to block lemvotes… hm, you might be right. IDK, I’m just not sure it is all worth that much bothering about. That kind of tit for tat of blocking/defederating and then making new stuff to get around the blocking, to try to force somebody to share information they’re trying not to, is just kind of silly I think. Better to just address it by talking it out and being reasonable as opposed to having dueling software systems trying to enforce one person’s will on another person’s system. But, IDK, good luck getting a reasonable and productive response out of either lemmy.ml or lemmy.world admin teams…
I think whatever shadow instance lemvotes uses either doesn’t federate with .ml or .ml blocked it (I can’t imagine why they’d do that though!/s lmao)
I suspected that may be the case, but I am still able to look up .ml users and see their individual votes. Wouldn’t defederating from the lemvotes instance block that too?
Just checked a .ml user profile I know to be prolific, the last votes it had were from April 29, so that’s probably when they got blocked and it’s just a cached version
If you know of a new .ml user that was made after then and it doesn’t pull up with them, then that’s def what happened
Ah, that would make sense. Thanks!
Same reason .world did probably
Nope, man you just love to spread false narratives don’t you?
Here’s @[email protected] votes for the comment just above. A .world account.
Well it certainly doesn’t always work, so I quit bothering. Interesting enough when I did bother, every DV was from this instance.
Probably most admins prefer not to facilitate petty lemming drama threads like this one.
Yet here we are. 🙃
Use the Fediverse link (the star) not the normal one (the chain) to get the url.
Yeah, tried that, still doesn’t work. Pretty sure they have the lemvotes shadow instance defederated because accountability or transparency is for westoids
dessalines upvoted it
https://kbin.earth/m/[email protected]/t/1559796/THE-LUGANSK-PEOPLE-S-REPUBLIC-HAS-BEEN-LIBERATED-FROM-THE-NAZI/comment/7556873/favourites(You have to copy/paste)
How many monis you gib?
I gib 0
100% are from .ml, Hexbear, or Lemmygrad.
I got curious about one Hexbear user, and looked at their profile, and I learned that no one can name any specific human rights abuses China has ever done, and also nobody “here” talks about Israel’s human rights abuses.
Clearly
Those are the most likely instances to believe in conspiracy theories. Spent a few minutes confirming as much via upvote tallies. I didn’t realize how badly lopsided it was, until now.
Yeah. And, also, it is clear when you look at votes that they make organized efforts to “brigade” threads sometimes, all come in and vote to influence the totals, which is something that they constantly accuse others of doing whenever their unpopular views get noticed and dogpiled on.
Every accusation is a confession. Tankies really are like their conservative brethren.
Authoritarians gonna authoritarian
I don’t mean to make much out of little, especially when there are real-world enemies that are endangering us all that we could be focusing on. But it is interesting to me how little regard most of the Lemmy communists have, for anyone’s right to exist in their space who expresses any kind of dissent or disagreement, and how unapologetic they are about wielding power without regard for anyone except their own faction.
I bet the dv’s are from .world brigaders too
.ml has a persistent myth that it’s all lemmy.world that is “against them” and dislikes the Russian government. It’s part of their attempt to pretend they are the majority. By implication, every other Lemmy instance is neutral, apparently, except “the liberal instances” (which turns out to be basically all of them).
I’m sure the downvotes are from off-instance brigaders, if you want to call it that. I have no idea why they would be centralized to lemmy.world, and I doubt they are.
I go by what I see here and with my own eyes, there.
How did you come to conclusion that the downvotes were probably .world brigaders?
I think we both know how disingenuous this is. The thread posted, dv’s started rolling in. And I think it’s sad people who vicariously self-validate with hypocritical, attention - seeking behavior in the same manner as politicians they whine about use the same behaviors and same “plausible deniability.” Sadder still that rather than taking a moment to explore the reflection of the shadow that got us our current politicians, more of the same behavior.
At least two itt were hardcore genocide deniers wrt Palestine, when I got here and now act like they thought it was always plain to see. I hope the situation regarding Russia, Ukraine, and the USA isn’t as dire as that before people start at least looking at information provided by those users, repeatedly, since I got here. Because I used to be in denial, too.
So when did you see the lemmy.world downvotes with your own eyes? Here or there?
Lol I’m just messing with you, honestly. I don’t think there is all that much productive exchange to be had here.
I’m not. You know exactly what I’m talking about. And you said you were doing better. Are you?
Muh evil brigaders
well of the people downvoting this “theory” of yours right now, 3 of 13 are .world so i’d wager that’s a load of crap
and as for brigading, .ml users get downvoted to hell across to fediverse in comments… their opinions are just horrible and their arguments are not made in good faith
Oh damn, they’re not even pretending to not being a Russian mouthpiece anymore?
I don’t remember a time where they attempted to pretend. It’s just recently they started getting heavy with the site wide bans though.
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You can go point by point comparing russia and nazi germany. All they have to say is well it can apply to any western country as well.
This is all vibe based ideology. Like MAGA, fascism and nazism was.
“Vibe based ideology”. That’s so spot on, perfect!
LOL except those ‘victims of communism’ the west honors are actually a lot of nazis.
Cry moreYou’re just proving the point.
yep, they like nazis
Tankies have always regurgitated Putin propaganda.
Yes lol. But they used to pretend they didn’t before
I just encountered the OP of that post today, saying EU is not real. You just can’t with these people.
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Mmm yes, must be a very reasonable author that goes by the name “AVATAR OF VENGEANCE” on the internet
.ml is great if you need to borrow some crayons. But that’s pretty much all they’re good for.
i’d prefer to borrow crayons without having to dig them out of peoples noses tyvm
well just blacklist them, make it an echo chamber so it doesn’t show literally anywhere else in the fediverse
Unfortunately, the “block” isn’t really a block on Lemmy, it’s barely a mute and that goes for user and instance blocks. Because dessalines refuses to implement a proper system (unsurprisingly). It’s been 4 years since “blocks” rolled out
In any case it still allows their toxicity and misinformation to spread, trolling new users who come here unaware of the need to block and such
Really, the best answer is to call for wide defederation like the rest of the Tankie Triad is treated
I think ultimately issues like this will be why I don’t choose Lemmy when I finally get around to standing up my own threadiverse node.
PieFed! I’m more attached to Boost than the underlying server software anyways, so if it ever gets PieFed support I’ll be leaving for that
I’m leaning that direction if only because I have decade-old Python experience which I could potentially dust off and use to contribute to development if I start “dogfooding” PieFed and find things I want to fix or improve.
Is piefed a Lemmy alternative? There are so many new things (very cool!) out there, and Lemmy starts to lose it’s luster IMO, not very much interesting news or discussions, lots and lots of “gEnOcIdE” troll bullshit (I mean you can’t even ask questions to these people).
Yea, for the most part, but it’s still fully federated so you’ll still be part of the Threadiverse and will be able to fully see and interact with all of Lemmy’s content and users without issues
But, on PieFed, at least block means block, blocking lemmy.ml or any other instance on PieFed blocks comms and users alike and blocking an individual user on PieFed means they won’t be seeing any of your comments or posts. So none of this mute BS on Lemmy where problematic users can still brigade your content and comment “behind your back” on your posts/comments without your knowledge
Interesting! Is there a good app you’d recommend?
Unfortunately, PieFed just rolled out app API support, so there’s not that many apps yet. It’s mostly just been the web UI
But off the top of my head I believe Voyager is rolling out PieFed support, but iirc it’s still in beta
It gives them more strenghts. The same happened with /thedonald.
LOL
.ml was the most tolerable of the tankie triad to me for a long time, but I eventually blocked it as they got worse and worse.
It’s mostly the exact same people as the rest of the triad, they just keep their masks on a little bit better when they’re on .ml.
This is why I’ve blocked every major .ml instance that pops up on my feed.
cm0002 and his eternal hard on for .ml
And great that Lugansk can live freely after 11 years of their civilians getting bombed.
But nobody cared about that.Removed by mod
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Dude I’ve poured concrete less dense than you, and my house is still standing.
If you’re too dumb, and I refuse to apologize for using ad-hominem replying to comments like yours, to see that russia is brutally attacking and slaughtering innocent Ukrainian civilians, then there is just no hope left for you.
Hope you step on Lego, you troll
Remember there is only one person on Lemmy obsessed with screaming how .ml are tankies and it is cm0002. The most obvious fed in Lemmy history.
Lol, lmao even! Hey, anyways I still haven’t gotten my paycheck, do you have the number for CIA HR?
Do you also call out NYT?
Do you call out the LW moderators for banning dropsitenews?
Ah whataboutism, the last refuge of the scared and confused tankie when faced with reality.
Hypocrisy, the final form of the genocide defender. Would be less embarassing if he did not actively cite a Zionist propaganda website to defend Israel
So US unarmed Canada and Mexico many years ago and they just follow what they are told. Why shouldn’t Russia do the same?
I believe Putin tried handling this peacefully for a very very long time.You sound extremely intelligent and informed. With that, I am super curious how you stay informed about the world. What news sites do you frequent, for starters?
“The US violated their neighbors’ sovereignty, why shouldn’t Russia do the same?”
What if imperialism is bad when anyone does it?
