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Im not about to trust a single point of failure with everything. If my phone breaks I want alternative options
It’s OK, Gramps, let’s get you back to bed.
Kids these days with their newfangled ideas!
I have 10€ in my phones battery compartment, because sometimes I leave my wallet at home, or forget it.
And visa has outages sometimes…
It became a habit for me whenever I am leaving home. Phone and hand kerchief in right pocket, wallet and keys in left pocket. If any item is missing I feel an absolute dread that can’t be ignored. Sometimes dap and iem in right and left pocket when it’s one of those trips.
I feel like a handkerchief indicates way older than millenial
Nah, late twenties. Parents taught me from childhood so that stuck around.
I have always found the idea of a hanky really gross. Do you actually blow your nose in it and then put it back in your pocket?
I use it to wipe other people’s noses, and then clone them into one mega-human when I get home.
Yes, I fold it in a couple times so it stays on the inside
I do that with regular tissue
Spectacles, testicles (optional), wallet and watch. I know this is supposed to be how to cross yourself, but ever since my mother taught it to me I’ve used it as a way to make sure I was carrying everything I was likely to need.
Sometimes I’ll quote it to my wife and she’ll say “oh wait, I forgot my testicles!”
You put your handkerchief in the same pocket as your phone?
First of all, how big are your pockets?
Second of all, doesn’t your phone collect oils from your hand? Do you really want that transferring to your handkerchief in your pocket?
Kerchiefs barely take any space, not sure what size you are thinking of. You change it everyday, just like clothing that picks up the oil.
I guess I was imagining something the size of a cloth dinner napkin, or one of those things bandits cover their faces with. Didn’t realize kerchiefs were smaller.
But my phone seems to attract oil and cling to it. I wipe it down with alcohol every few days but it doesn’t take long to rebuild. Even while keeping my hands clean. I wouldn’t want it in the same pocket as anything I wipe my face with
You usually open up the folded kerchief to wipe your face. Shouldn’t matter if the outside is oily.
You phone probably had an oleophobic coating that you removed by using alcohol.
Maybe but it was a problem before I started using alcohol wipes. For several months I would just use a paper towel or a napkin but it always left some behind, and it would build up slowly over a week or two and get really gross.
Now I use alcohol wipes and it gets it really clean, and since I’m used to the cleanliness now I notice faster when it starts building up again, so I clean it more often now too. Before, I wouldn’t even notice until it was caked on…
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What’s flagging? Is that some hip lingo I’m too old to understand?
You have a phone battery compartment?
Its a fairphone, the battery is user serviceable, pretty much like older phones did it.
Which version? The 6 has screws.
4, still has a clip on rear cover. Theres barely enough space to get a 10€ note in between.
Cool I’ve thought about getting one of those when my current one plus gives up.
I’ve memorized my credit card details for a decade and a half for pretty much this reason. I don’t often forget my wallet, but it has happened. The few times it has, cashiers have been confused but generally managed to make it work when I’ve given them the numbers. (And to be clear, I’m grateful to them for accommodating the situation.)
I’ve never considered physically embodying cash within my phone. I’m super paranoid about leaving it behind ever since I broke my ankle and had to call my wife to save me, so I’m less likely to forget it than I am my wallet. Thanks for the idea!
I used to, but with all the breaches these days my number keeps changing. About every 2-3 at this point.
I also have money in my phone case, and I always forget about it when needed.
If visa/mastercard has an outage the edge POS card terminal (nets etc) will cover your payment. This happens automatically after 3 seconds.
So unless there’s a major outage you don’t notice it
Alternativly I could be out of battery, I don’t have my actual card with me without my wallet.
Strangely enough thats exactly why I dont carry a wallet. I carry all the things you’d expect in your wallet, but spread out over all my pockets.
I am far too scatterbrained for that, I would spend half my day searching my pockets
Depending on how much stuff that is, that’s actually insane.
Its all mixed in with like snack wrappers that I havent found a bin for, and a biro that might or might not explode at any moment, and a tangle of wires, and a few receipts, and some vape paraphernalia, and on and on.
Mug me if you like, we’ll be here for hours.
And you have time to set this up each morning before you leave?
Oh no, just wear the same trousers for a few days, same jacket for a week or two. Empty shit when its time to change and let it accumulate in the meantime.
I dont intend to let it accumulate. Every time I swear im going to keep them tidy this time, but ive been an adult for about 20 years now so I dont see it actually changing any time soon
I bet standing behind you in line is a blast.
Yeap. That’s what my Gen X cargo pants are for!
I will lose a wallet and keys, but I won’t lose my phone. It’s that simple. I have a keypad lock on my house and a car which uses a phone key, so I only carry my phone and it’s the most liberating thing ever. A few years back I rented again for a year when I moved to a new city, and the mental stress of needing to carry a key around was so much higher than I remembered it being.
When I saw my phone could have a digital wallet I went all in and left my physical wallet at home
- The EFTPOS machines failed to process the payment so I had to leave my groceries behind and go without for a week (I only have one shot)
- Rewards cards all failed to scan or tap intermittently
- My phone ran out of battery sometimes
- Metro card doesn’t support phones
I went back to a physical wallet. It’s way more reliable, the tech wasn’t there yet 5 years ago and I CBF trying again
I learned my lesson when my banking app had an error with location detection and wouldn’t let me pay. Luckily I was with someone I could borrow the money from. I now always carry a backup, lol.
Get a card binder. Can even put in a note or two with rarely used cards.
Eh, my wallet is a single point of failure. My phone is/can be backed up and recovered if lost, stolen, or broken.
Not to mention, if you lose your phone, you can remotely deactivate it, and it (can) take a pin or biometric to unlock the phone and access the data. Your lost/stolen wallet means anyone who has it has access to all the info in it, and you have to go through the hassle of deactivating cards and getting new cards.
In a better world, phone-based payment and IDs would be far superior. The problem is that the current companies and governments involved in setting that up are a bunch of invasive money-grubbing fuckwads.
that’s dumb. I have a wallet and so does everyone else I know in my age. Im gEn Z. these stupid generational labels make no sense
This is a pretty old meme. I can’t remember the context anymore
Maybe marketing for phone payments
Even if you pay by phone, there is so much other stuff in my Wallet.
From what I can tell in this thread, most people carry wallets outside of generational divides, and the post is BS. There is also a significant number of generational-independent psychopaths who have absolutely unhinged systems like “I just carry lose cards in my pocket because I don’t want to take ten minutes picking out a wallet at the store.”
Uhm… on top of not having my phone as my single payment method… where should I carry my id and driver’s license and medical card if not in the wallet? Should I carry them loose in the pocket? Or in my bag? Why? That’s so unconvenient and in the long term ends up damaging them.
I barely keep my phone on me, period. I hate the thing.
I have a job that prohibits me from having a phone during working hours. It broke me of my dependency and now ive notice people getting irritated if i dont respond in minutes. Some days, they’ll just have to wait til 5 until I can check it again.
But it’s also made me so much less attached. I regularly dont have it on me
It’s my companion for the restroom. If you text me any other time, it’s going to be at least 5 minutes before I notice.
What is your secret? The doom rectangle cannot be evaded…
I just hate being bothered. Thats pretty much my entire secret. When I first got a smartphone I cracked the screen chucking it in the next room because the damn thing wouldnt stop buzzing.
So, Gen z just like doesn’t carry those or will have maybe one at a time if they have to just hanging loose. Yeah, it’s weird.
Gen z here, I do use a wallet but many people use these sticky wallets that you slap on the back of your phone case to hold their cards.
I don’t use them because 1. what if something slips out somehow and 2. damn you lose your phone and wallet in one.
We don’t just leave shit hanging loose lol. We still have credit cards and drivers licenses to hold.
Some would argue that is still a wallet, just a wallet with a magnet to attach to stuff.
There is no argument to be had here. That is literally a wallet.
i had one of those wallet phone cases and lost my phone. luckily it was at pride and whoever found it was not an asshole. tracked the phone and got it back, and thankfully didnt get my card used or stolen. i learned that day.
(i only lost it that once. just my luck lol)
I have one of these that has a tracker in it, so even if my phone dies, I can find both my wallet and my phone.
But then that comes with the tradeoff of being unable to use Qi charging
I got a magnetic one that you can snap off to charge wirelessly.
I use my wallet to store ma drugz
I usually get plastic sleeves with those, so yes, I just have a stack of cards in my pocket. At least I can fit it in together with a phone.
Although I don’t know how to deal with coins. A jacket brings me extra pockets at least, which is why I can more or less only use cash during winter.
Buying a wallet requires a choice. Searching for something right, and I am too lazy for that, so in the pocket it goes. Unfortunately, I often lack pockets. So if I am not traveling, I’ll just leave out my phone, so I can still fit in keys, cards, and a shopping bag. After all, I don’t need a phone most of the time anyway.I have a 3d printed card holder I made.
Is that not just a wallet?
I use one of those minimalist wallets, and I would describe it as a card holder with an elastic for cash.
My thought exactly. A decade or so ago my back was hurting and I decided to try a different style of wallet. Upgraded to a better one when I realized it works for me.
Even if all I have in it are cards, id, and a single dollar bill, it’s still a wallet, just doesn’t leave me sitting at an angle. Yeah I had a Costanza wallet going on.
Not sure, there seems to be some debate on the subject.
In Denmark those are all available on your phone.
Yes, and if your phone runs out of battery, gets stolen or simply dies in any way, you won’t have access to them.
My phone battery doesn’t die, I have to charge it every night though.
Bold of you to assume your phone will never fail you.
Everything fails. Do you know how many times I’ve forgotten my wallet various places? My phone just fails less.
Which is why having everything on the same place is a bigger risk than having the phone and the wallet.
How is it a bigger risk? Two things = two things to lose. Especially since the tile in the wallet is worse than find my in the phone.
I used to have a separate wallet, but i switched to this magnetic billfold thing that attaches to the back of my phone. It has enough room for an ID, credit card, debit card, and ond of those tile locators shaped like a credit card. Unfortunately these are horrible for user privacy, but it helps me find it if I lose it. In a pinch, it can also hold a small fold of cash.
I almost never need the other things my old wallet held: insurance card, cash, other credit cards or gift cards…? What else did I even carry? I still have my old wallet at home and a small box I use to keep other ID cards, gift cards, etc.
The magnetic thing also doubles for a hands-free phone stand if I want to set the phone down on a surface and watch tv while I’m eating lunch or something.
If you lose your phone, you lose everything tho.
Not necessarily. I can detach the phone wallet and leave it at home if i want.
Also why would i lose my phone?
If i misplace it at home, i can use find my to ring it. Can’t do that with a wallet.
If you leave the wallet at home and lose the phone or it fails, then you’re still with no documents or cards. Just because it never happened to you doesn’t mean it can’t happen. I got in a car crash when I was returning home from my job and the phone got destroyed. I was able to be identified and my family located because I was carrying my wallet with ID, national security card and driver’s license. It’s an extreme case, but it can happen. It could also fall in a bad way and get damaged… I’ve seen too many phones (fortunately not mine) decide to fail their user in the worst moment to trust them exclusively.
This is why you always have to carry physical ID when you’re driving.
Yes it has happened to me before. Just less often than losing my wallet when i used to have one that didn’t attach to the phone.
Yes. But you said that you can leave your wallet at home, hence leaving all your documents on it and carrying just your phone. You can get involved in a car crash without driving by being a passanger or simply someone walking on the street or biking.
You can also be hit by a meteorite.
But it’s unlikely, just as it is unlikely for most people to need physical cards.
That’s not your responsibility though. The hospital will still treat you at the ER
why would you even carry your id? the driver’s license is always in the car and the medical card is only needed for appointments at the doctor
I don’t know anyone who keeps their license in their car. Car culture is different in the us vs the eu, so maybe not as common over there, but sometimes if traveling with friends you will switch who drives. You should have your license on you if you’re driving. Additionally, it’s good to have your ID in case you forget your credit card somewhere and now you have a document with your picture on it that has a name that matches the card. I still get carded sometimes when buying alcohol or entering certain places so it’s not unusual to want to keep it on hand in case you want drinks or something.
Also good to have your ID and insurance information in case of an emergency.
Because a cop can stop you at any time, in any place for any reason and while (legally) you don’t need to show it - your day will suddenly get a whole lot worse if you don’t.
And In the year of our Lord - you must also worry about ICE
Not just cops, either. If you want to buy alcohol, tobacco, permanent markers, spray paint, or enter a bar or nightclub, you’re required to show ID, either by law or establishment policy, and it’s been that way for decades.
superglue too. that one surprised me
Laughs in EU
No I’m really sorry you have to go through that shit in the US right now, it’s hopefully gonna get better soon
Why are you laughing? Many EU countries require ID on demand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country
Including Germany, which appears to be where they’re from.
If you need to use a car that’s not yours, what would you do if the license is in the car?
And why wouldn’t you carry your id with you? Not just police might want to stop and ask for it, but what if you get involved in an accident and have to get taken to the hospital while unconscious? How are they going to id you to know who to call? Just to say an example.
Also, your medical card should always be with you in case of an emergency. You never know when will you need to be taken to the hospital and having it with you makes everything much easier.
There’s no advantage that I can think of in not carrying your documents (or even copies of them) with you.
I might drive my car, I might drive my partner’s, I might drive my coworker’s car. I might collapse on the street and someone needs to figure out who I am from what I’m carrying. The license/id stays with me, not the vehicle.
Because in a lot of places you legally have to carry your ID on you, not just when you’re driving.
The grocery store I buy booze at forces the cashier to scan your ID. Also I walk there.
I strayed into not taking a wallet out with me briefly, then I realised my life shouldn’t rely on Apple or Android (or my (lack of) ability to charge devices).
Exactly. We should decrease our dependency on these companies, not increase it.
I wouldn’t mind that so much if those payment methods were more universally accepted, but they aren’t.
I use a wallet case so I can put cards in the back of my phone case instead of carrying a wallet.
My state doesn’t accept your license/id to be digital, id also have to walk a few miles before I found the nearest sidewalk, so the idea of going anywhere without a wallet it absurd.
A guy in front me at the grocery store had to ditch a cart full of items because his phone was dead.
Super embarrassing for them.
Paying with cash is the most private method. I hope it stays.
You already can’t in so many places. I thought it was required to accept cash, but apparently that’s only for paying the government.
Cash is required to be accepted to clear a debt.
Cash is not required to be accepted to make a purchase.
That’s how I understand it. Cash is legal tender and has to be accepted to clear debts, so restaurants where you pay after you eat might not be able to refuse cash (though I don’t think there’s a requirement to provide change), though they can refuse all future business with you.
Still infuriating. I have actual money but can’t use it? Ugh.
You mean Friends lied to me!?
Some ATMs track the serial numbers of the bills you get. Even then, though, it’s more private than a card. Unless they have video of you shoving the bills into a machine for payment, say at Walmart self-checkout, they really don’t know how many hands the bills passed through before they passed through a reader again. Also, good if you can get a store to break the large bills for you. Then, they only know that you paid for a pack of gum with a 100-dollar bill.
I work retail and the number of phones/watches that have just failed to work means I’m never replacing my card. Sure, they could just be idiots who don’t know how to use it like the people who can’t use cards, but card just works.
Cards also need to take quite a bit of damage before they stop working too.
I once accidentally ran over my credit card with my car after a mishap at a parking garage pay station. Still works fine, though it does have some road rash. Lets see an iPhone do that!
Massive debt, Massive damage
Or if you live in the middle of nowhere like I do, stores just don’t turn that feature on.
That’s basically why I carry a wallet – as backup. I got used to leaving my wallet at home unless I was driving and I needed my license. But, then one time I spent 45 minutes shopping tried to pay, and for some unknown reason I couldn’t pay with my phone. Now, if the phone doesn’t work I have the NFC card in the wallet. If the NFC doesn’t work on the card, it also has a chip so I can insert it. If, for some reason, that fails too, I have enough cash for at least the main things I want to buy.
If I’m going out and not planning on doing a major shop, and don’t need to drive, the wallet stays home. If something comes up the phone will probably work, but it’s not worth the extra space to carry the wallet just in case.
I love how millennial has become the new code for old. Gen X has been skipped again. As always.
My wallet isn’t owned by a tech conglomerate that has access and admin privileges to everything inside of it. Also, I just don’t want my phone to be everything, especially my I.D.
License, registration, and proof of insurance
Mind if I see your phone? It’s just hard to read.
OH INTERESTING CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH “WALGREENS GUY” ABOUT “SANDWICHES” HOW ABOUT YOU STEP OUTTA THE CAR
Ha, joke’s on you. I don’t have a car.
Is sandwiches drugs
Officer, I will not answer questions without my attorney present.
My phone’s dead. Guess I’m broke until I find a charger.
Yeah but inside it is $3.50
Nah. It’s just cards. I haven’t touched cash in a decade, but I do have way too many cards I need that can’t go in my phone.
Same here. I can go with only a phone but then I would miss:
- my ID card (mandatory here)
- my driver’s license card (mandatory when driving)
- my health insurance card
- my debit card (for when wireless payment isn’t available)
- my credit card
- my public transport card
Same here in Canada, except we dot not have ID card. My wallet is a small cards holder with like 6 or 7 cards and that’s it. Last time I used cash was maybe 10 years ago?
Sweden 😁 ?
Netherlands.
The last time I used cash, it was because I visited Germany.
>it was about that time that i noticed @OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world was about 500 feet tall and from the paleolithic era
But… How do they pay for the finest black market goods if they don’t have a wallet to carry cash around?
I’ve paid for drugs at festivals with card because the dealer had an iZettle
the future is here
so curious what the charge was listed as
AGoodTime
I knew a guy who always wrote “drugs” as the reason on Venmo, for things like paying back for dinner. Then he got contacted by them asking him to stop.
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Many of my dealers were accepting Cashapp and Venmo when I got sober a few years ago.
Us millennials must age gracefully if youth can’t recognize our age until they ask for our wallet
Checking out at the liquor store
Cashier: “Can I see your ID?”
Me: “Awww. I hardly ever get ‘carded’ anymore. It feels kind of nice.”
Starts to pull out wallet
Cashier: “Oh, nevermind. You’re good.”
Me: “…Listen here you little shit. You started this whole thing. Now I’m going to show you my ID anyways and you’re going to act surprised like ‘OMG! I could have sworn he was 22! I didn’t even notice his bald spot.’”.
my partner is getting greys and still gets carded all the time! some people think im in highschool and im in my 30s
We’re well known to have aged particularly gracefully
Let me break out my checkbook in the grocery store line and watch their souls leave their bodies.
I left my wallet on my work desk and a youngling helped walk me through using my phone to pay for my drive-through coffee order. I felt so cool and high tech.
Of course, when we got to “turn on NFC” the youngling asked what NFC was. I think I told him it was like Bluetooth and let the phone talk to the card reader.
My older “forgot my wallet” technique was to make an online order for pick up and enter my organically memorized credit card information into the online form.
I think your story makes a jump. Who taught whom?
I think the kid taught OP how to use the software, and OP taught the kid the hardware.
Exactly. I didn’t know how to make it work but I had a rough idea how it worked.
And presumably it had never occurred to the kid that one might want to turn off a radio for any reason.
Enjoy Google knowing all your transactions! angrily waves cane
Do kids in the US not have wallets? I don’t think I know anyone who doesn’t have one (in Germany)
Germany is the land of cash. All of Europe has adopted digital payment almost everywhere.
Germany has many businesses where cash only is normal.
Sounds smart
Well avoiding taxes is much easier with cash.
Though I don’t think this is the main reason.
Probably our shitty phone network. Those digital card readers need a good connection to work and in Germany we have many areas where they just don’t work. So cash only.
In Norway accepting tapping became mandatory from 21, so no one here carries one. The older generations that haven’t activated Vipps carries a card or two on their phone, but seeing someone under 70 carrying a wallet is rare.
Yes but that’s because you live in Norway, a horrible place where all the men look like walruses and the women smell of fish.
Lol what
Haaland is the exception, not the rule.
You take that back! Norway is the land of mead and honeys and where I want to escape to if I can get out of this godforsaken hellhole pretending to be a democracy. Don’t take away my only hope of a life away from the US. I want to live between a mountain and the sea, only be able to buy alcohol 10:00-18:00 M-F, and go to the municipal pool and sit in a “hot tub” that is cooler than bath water listening to a German complain that “no one uses cash around here”!
*Cries in for-profit healthcare and regulatory capture*
Yeah, because paying by card isn’t an option everywhere in Germany. The only time I carry cash is when I visit Germany.
They might not use a traditional folding one a lot of the time. They have those intrusion protected card holder things that are essentially the “modern wallet” that better protect the physical cards from damage, and also prevents someone using the NFC stuff to steal your money without even having to dip your pocket.
