Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else.
But if the governments don’t punish them for their actions then don’t be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, would happened to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs.
A right is something you can claim for yourself. “Being punished for your actions” is not a right. I’d even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn’t be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go.
That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis.
By virtue of being nazis they have forfeited the protections of the social contract. I don’t give a fuck about the dehumanization or human rights angle, when a thing exists for the sole purpose of destroying society (like nazism and any supremacism) you remove it by any means necessary from society. You do not allow it to continue because if you do, it will destroy you. Fascism is an existential threat and killing fascists is always self defense.
The right have it so easy. They are all united together as one group of racist assholes.
The left after deal with a bunch of fence sitters that never want to do anything, who generally just hope that the situation magically resolves itself on its own. Any suggestion by anyone that maybe it would be a good idea to perhaps do something, is always meant with pushback.
A Nazi may “die” through ceasing to hold to Nazi ideals, and striving to better themselves. Many strong fighters for good causes began their fight on the wrong side. I can’t imagine how much worse the world would be if, historically, such people had been killed out of hand as you suggest would be right.
We’re giving them a good kicking but they walk away with no broken bones, no concussion, and certainly with all their organs still functioning. For the most part these guys are cowards, you don’t need to kill them to stop them, you just need to make them experience mild discomfort.
It’s the right that love to kill each other.
Although I have to ask, do you seriously think that these people have anything to contribute to society. For the most part they think the way they do because they are ill-educated woth the world horizon been about 50 miles away from their own house. They’ve never met the people they hate, they’ve never been to their country, these people have never experienced the suffering of war or famine, and because of that they can’t imagine it. I don’t think society is being denied the next Nobel laureate just because it is intolerant of racists.
I find it amazing that you’re seriously advising people to fight the foot soldiers to no end instead of, you know, the handful of people in that “government” who are responsible for enabling them. The people with the wealth, influence, and technology to rig elections, make enemies and evidence disappear, controvert the law with impunity, and psychologically manipulate the masses.
But yeah fuck it, let’s just stay mad at Bubba on Facebook with a room temp IQ. I’m sure Sun Tzu would be proud.
You see the problem here is you’ve decided what I’m arguing and suggesting people do, rather than actually reading my comment. I don’t think I’ve ever stated anywhere that you can’t apply any of what I’ve said to politicians rich CEOs and anybody else who’s at it.
But there is a very important distinction to be made between the people who are actually hurting people and the people who are using them, because the people who are using them won’t do anything on their own, they need their foot soldiers as you call them. Diminish their foot soldiers and you diminish their power too, it’s all one thing. I’m pretty sure Sun Tzu probably has something to say about actually killing your enemies soldiers being worthwhile objective.
But there is a very important distinction to be made between the people who are actually hurting people and the people who are using them, because the people who are using them won’t do anything on their own, they need their foot soldiers as you call them. Diminish their foot soldiers and you diminish their power too, it’s all one thing.
Again, hilarious. You’ve talked yourself out of correctness and into victim blaming. Congratulations, you’re no better than them for the good of all mankind. Toodles.
I’m confused as to what your suggestion is. Do you think people who are “just followingorders” should not be held accountable for their actions because they were not the ones issuing the orders?
Hey do you remember the part of WWII where they landed on Omaha Beach then just sat there for the rest of the war killing wave after wave of dudes?
Yeah me neither, cuz it didn’t happen. They pressed forward. They went for the commanders. The generals. They went for Hitler. Don’t ask me stupid questions like that again.
Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else.
But if the governments don’t punish them for their actions then don’t be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, would happened to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs.
A right is something you can claim for yourself. “Being punished for your actions” is not a right. I’d even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn’t be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go.
That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis.
Read some of the other comments here, happily wanting to take nazis human rights
By virtue of being nazis they have forfeited the protections of the social contract. I don’t give a fuck about the dehumanization or human rights angle, when a thing exists for the sole purpose of destroying society (like nazism and any supremacism) you remove it by any means necessary from society. You do not allow it to continue because if you do, it will destroy you. Fascism is an existential threat and killing fascists is always self defense.
They gave those up within their ideology
I’ll kill a charging polar bear too even though I love animals
I’m not surprised. But I don’t condone or celebrate it either.
The right have it so easy. They are all united together as one group of racist assholes.
The left after deal with a bunch of fence sitters that never want to do anything, who generally just hope that the situation magically resolves itself on its own. Any suggestion by anyone that maybe it would be a good idea to perhaps do something, is always meant with pushback.
The death of a Nazi is always a cause for celebration
A Nazi may “die” through ceasing to hold to Nazi ideals, and striving to better themselves. Many strong fighters for good causes began their fight on the wrong side. I can’t imagine how much worse the world would be if, historically, such people had been killed out of hand as you suggest would be right.
You do get no ones actually killing them.
We’re giving them a good kicking but they walk away with no broken bones, no concussion, and certainly with all their organs still functioning. For the most part these guys are cowards, you don’t need to kill them to stop them, you just need to make them experience mild discomfort.
It’s the right that love to kill each other.
Although I have to ask, do you seriously think that these people have anything to contribute to society. For the most part they think the way they do because they are ill-educated woth the world horizon been about 50 miles away from their own house. They’ve never met the people they hate, they’ve never been to their country, these people have never experienced the suffering of war or famine, and because of that they can’t imagine it. I don’t think society is being denied the next Nobel laureate just because it is intolerant of racists.
I find it amazing that you’re seriously advising people to fight the foot soldiers to no end instead of, you know, the handful of people in that “government” who are responsible for enabling them. The people with the wealth, influence, and technology to rig elections, make enemies and evidence disappear, controvert the law with impunity, and psychologically manipulate the masses.
But yeah fuck it, let’s just stay mad at Bubba on Facebook with a room temp IQ. I’m sure Sun Tzu would be proud.
You see the problem here is you’ve decided what I’m arguing and suggesting people do, rather than actually reading my comment. I don’t think I’ve ever stated anywhere that you can’t apply any of what I’ve said to politicians rich CEOs and anybody else who’s at it.
But there is a very important distinction to be made between the people who are actually hurting people and the people who are using them, because the people who are using them won’t do anything on their own, they need their foot soldiers as you call them. Diminish their foot soldiers and you diminish their power too, it’s all one thing. I’m pretty sure Sun Tzu probably has something to say about actually killing your enemies soldiers being worthwhile objective.
Again, hilarious. You’ve talked yourself out of correctness and into victim blaming. Congratulations, you’re no better than them for the good of all mankind. Toodles.
I’m confused as to what your suggestion is. Do you think people who are “just followingorders” should not be held accountable for their actions because they were not the ones issuing the orders?
Hey do you remember the part of WWII where they landed on Omaha Beach then just sat there for the rest of the war killing wave after wave of dudes?
Yeah me neither, cuz it didn’t happen. They pressed forward. They went for the commanders. The generals. They went for Hitler. Don’t ask me stupid questions like that again.
And who did they have to kill to get to those people?
So you do understand that they were after an actual meaningful goal and not just there to commit murder on a bunch of nobodies.
So you do understand that they had to kill a bunch of nobodies to get to the important ones.