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    “Are we the baddies?” ponders Gen-X’s Rush Limbaugh copycat after decades of being a mouthpiece for Russian agitprop.

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      I don’t think he ever was. I never understood why people liked him. He always seemed like a poser to me. He wanted to be a cool guy, he wanted to be funny, he wanted to be a UFC fighter… I guess that kind of describes everyone in the “manosphere”.

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        At one point he was actually kinda open minded and could raise an interesting discussion from time to time. Those days are loooooooong fucking gone. It’s all just ego maintenance and propaganda now.

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          Admittedly I found him through his conversations with scientists I enjoyed listening to. Those days were good, they’d just have conversations about black holes and quantum physics. Then shit got absolutely out of hand and I never listened to him again.

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            Yeah I think what’s missed is that there weren’t a lot of long form podcasts like that at the time. It was great to be able to hear someone like Sean Carroll come on and talk about Spacetime for 3 hours and then have Joe convince him to start his own podcast, which is still going and really dang good. Joe served as the interested but uninformed audience to just kind of keep the person talking. Not to defend what it’s become, but it wasn’t always like it is now

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              It’s too bad so many people found Joe Rogan more interesting than Stuff You Should Know, even though the latter started before Rogan. Josh and Chuck don’t have whacky guests, but they talk about the coolest topics.

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                talked*,

                after I saw that Terrance Howard one I think I lost some IQ points and all of my respect (what little was left) for Rogan.

                now there’s way better podcast like star talk or anything else.

                people figured out his formula, anyone left listening is on the bottom of the dev curve.

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        He’s relatable. He’s that guy that’s cool to chill with on the couch and talk about random shit. But he’ll chill with everyone from scammers to Nazis on that couch.

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      His early comedy was funny in the 1990s bro sort of way. His podcast was hysterical when it was just him smoking weed with redban. The joey diaz fleshlight commercials are still funny to me “they put a little clean shaven monkey in there”

      This was before the big money showed up to the podcast.

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        I tried listening to his podcast when it got big. It’s was boring as shit. I don’t know how people can listen to him talk for hours at a time.

        I can maybe listen to a curated version where they cut out 98% and only leave in the part where they actually say something interesting.

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    ‘Rogan said it was “very ugly to watch someone shoot a U.S. citizen, especially a woman, in the face.”’

    It’s very ugly to watch anyone shoot another person in the face.

    FTFY, you scumbag

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    Say what you will about the guy, but I really hope he’s sincere. He’s an idiot, but an idiot with a huge audience. It would be better to have him on our side on this.

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      This isn’t just Rogan. There’s a lot of people feeling like this.

      An absolutely fascinating polling number we’re seeing now is that - even among Republican voters - people generally see Trump as doing badly on immigration. This is a massive shift from how he was perceived before the election, where immigration was where he polled the strongest IIRC. Actually seeing his immigration policies in action has actually soured right wing voters on them.

      And the reason is simple; in their minds, they truly, genuinely did not vote for this. They voted to kick out all the “Bad” immigrants, not the sweet old lady who bakes amazing churros and the nice man who runs the drug store.

      It’s the Shirley Exception. They just assumed that the people they like would be exempt. Because they do not understand that you cannot build a machine for cruelty and then ask it to be kind.

      The bad news is, these people vote. The good news is, these people represent a deep and serious fracture in Trump’s support, and there is a very real opportunity here for many of them to finally figure out how fucked up their thinking has been all this time.

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        Genuinely, what you’re seeing right now is individuals in an entire group go through their own individual chapel perilous moments: confronted with the reality of what their beliefs have brought to the world some will be horrified and reject those beliefs, yet some will double down and be sucked further into them.

        For those that reject the beliefs it will be highly traumatic and isolating for them and, as hard as it will be because it feels like a misjustice, those who have always seen the orange cunt for what he is should bring them into our community to support them during this process of genuine repentance as there’s now an avenue for these people to be deprogrammed from the cult of personality, gently educated to make them more politically aware, and help them find an active supportive role in the community so they feel some positive empowerment and hope that will act as a stalwart against the fear that MAGA had been poisoning their minds with.

        For those who double down and reject what their own eyes and ears tell them are going to become even more dangerous as these ideas, thoughts, and beliefs they’ll now guard even more closely as a part of their identity which could swallow things like self-preservation, which coupled with the sheer amount of anger and fear is a violent cocktail that Trump, the Billionaires, and foreign powers seek to put into destructive actions.

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          For those who double down and reject what their own eyes and ears tell them are going to become even more dangerous as these ideas, thoughts, and beliefs they’ll now guard even more closely as a part of their identity which could swallow things like self-preservation, which coupled with the sheer amount of anger and fear is a violent cocktail that Trump, the Billionaires, and foreign powers seek to put into destructive actions.

          I’m just counting the days until it backfires directly on them, and it will.

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          If democrats put forward the most unpopular choices running as dem status quo then yes. Conservative light candidates.

          If they had a new deal and loudly fought for it, they would take half the r base.

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          Depends on the democrat. Plenty of progressives have shown that the way you steal votes from the right is by moving further left. Their biggest concern right now is cost of living. Focus on that and they’ll show up.

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      There’s no way he’ll turn on the audience that made him filthy rich. Also, it’s not the first time he’s had a “revelation” about this shit, and nothing changed.

      I hope so, too. But, I’m not holding my breath.

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        He doesn’t have to turn ON them. We just need him to TURN THEM.

        They’ve already shown they’re susceptible to following some celebrity; let him bring them back away from MAGAtism.

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        It’s a kind of a fig leaf I guess.

        “Well I don’t support everything Trump does but at least he gets results”

        That kind of thing.

        He would still support Trump in another election.

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        The audience has long turned: GenZ has repudiated Trump and his regime in almost arithmetically impossible numbers. He is just following them along.

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      If you ever think Rogan will he on “our side” then you’re just as delusional as he is. Rogan knows exactly what he is doing. To call himself an idiot before saying something extreme is not only a shitty attempt at plausible deniability, but harmful to society’s social contract.

      Fuck Joe Rogan and his HGH gut chugging ass

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      Yes but rogan’s betrayal was not possible without the party forcing unwinnable strategies with the most unpopular choice, without a single challenge. None for house or senate either.

      First thing is first, the dem party running opposition is multiplying this massive formula by zero right at the start.

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        Kamala was objectively a better choice than Trump, it was obvious to anyone who wasn’t brain rotted by people like Rogan.

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          Syphillis is objectively better than aids.

          But it was not going to win the election, much less restore the republic.

          We knew being not the other guy was not enough, that the other guys are nazis, that the electorate does not know that.

          So explain to me why forcing a doomed to fail strategy is not disqualifying for dem establishment figures?

          Even now you regurgitate their projections of blame? Why should anyone trust your analysis of anything if you still trust those establishment conservatives to run the dem party while you are at it?

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              You cannot be serious. I levied questions about how the election was thrown by the dems from the start.

              You cannot answer with reason.

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                The reasonable choice was to vote for Kamala out of sheer harm reduction. Throwing a hissy fit and taking your ball and going home because you think we should be playing a different game helped nobody.

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                  You are vote shaming which is neither here nor there.

                  The question is knowing status quo candidates whose only selling point is they are harm reduction, was not enough to win, let alone with the most unpopular candidate they had on offer, never breaching 30 pc approval all term pre anointation, the vp of a prez at 40 pc for 3 years.

                  You knew the situation, but trusted the same people that gave us hillary and biden, to run a doomed to fail strategy.

                  So how is it reasonable to appoint kamala, and accept her and the status quo strategy knowing it was throwing the game?

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                I’m Canadian dipshit, I don’t have any particular connection to one party or the other. It was clear as day that Kamala was a status quo politician, and Trump was going to do pretty much what he is doing. Actually I didn’t think Trump would be this bad in fact.

                There is just no universe where you justify that having a milquetoast politician is worse than whatever the fuck this fascist nightmare is. And it was clear as day to anyone who wasn’t an abject moron.

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              Typical, counter attacking, however lamely, to avoid taking responsibility. You have no logical arguments so you have to resort to those tricks the dem establishment taught you to stop any realignment.

              More proof your analysis, stated opinions, are worth nothing to those in reality. Either pretending to believe dems are a credible party and lying to our faces, or believing it.

              If the former you would think neoliberal surrender to fascists is in your interest, so your understanding is laughably wrong and disqualifying in either case.

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        Not entirely sure why you’re getting downvoted, yeah, I’m sure not close to a fraction of what has happened would happen under Kamala, but, they are beholden to the exact same billionaire Epstein class donors that the other side was, and she wouldn’t have cut out the rot that was festering in the idiot swamp. It would just keep festering.

        We certainly have the benefit of hindsight, and I could have told any one it would be bad, but a lot of this seems like it might have been inevitable one way or another. You might as well call the dems controlled opposition with how inept they’ve been in the face of existential threat. The fight is hardly left/right, it’s up/down. It’s just the upper class knows to use the violent people in the lower class against each other, through desperation and propaganda, while they all collude at the top.

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          The dems are still playing good cop to r bad, for donors. Ratcheting to plutocracy.

          But r’s are not playing bad cop, they are playing hitler, in the open, for a faction of that plutocracy. We all knew it or should have. Anointing kamala without challenge to run as status quo against a reform ticket is beyond foolish, into knowingly throwing the game.

          Arguing kamala is better misses that she could not win and anyone that did not realize that lacks credibility on any subject.

          Until they admit they were wrong to trust the establishment, and outlines how they are going to change that.

          Frankly it is the least they must do if we want to take the country from the party openly planning on fixing elections and persecuting the opposition and you know, the whole nazi thing.

          Probably too late already. Maybe a chance in the succession, with a Popular Reform ticket aggressively pursuing a New Deal.

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    Gosh, Joe. Is Trump bad? Does he want to do bad things? Was voting for him bad? Does that make you bad?

    Don’t worry about it, buddy. You were still right to tell everyone you supported him and would vote for him and that you wanted him to hold you in his big strong pudding-arms while you fell asleep. You were right to support him on air with your millions of idiot listeners. It’s ok, pal. Just let everyone know that you don’t approve of this latest bad stuff and then it’s not your fault. There you go, guy.

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      “I voted for Mr. Hitler because he’d be good for the economy, but I didn’t go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can’t blame that on me.” --German Citizen, 1946