I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but it’s a little confusing to me why that is. I mean, aren’t working class people the vast majority of eligible voters? It seems to me that if you could get a majority of working class people on your side, you’d win every election in a landslide.
But, I suppose that depends on how one defines “working class.” It doesn’t necessarily mean the same thing to everyone.
Wow, this is almost impressively wrong, actually.
It really is. Professors should use this as a shining example of what not to do.
He’s a bust. Shame, kids got talent.
Well, an actual workers or labor party might be one possibility. Neither of the two parties in the US can really be described as a workers party (as in, a party of, by and for working class people), or even a party that makes the concerns of working people one of their priorities.
I do think the Democrats have been more receptive to working class people and their issues than the Republicans, though that is a very low bar. When the only other party in the country is actively, aggressively hostile to working people, it’s not hard to be the better option for labor (despite that very low bar the Democrats have still somehow struggled to clear it, at times).
That said, even when the Democrats are “pro-labor” it’s been in a condescending or patronizing way. The Republicans hate the working class, Democrats pity them, in a very infantilizing way. They feel they must shepherd the working class because they are too stupid, too crass, too uncouth and incompetent to lead and direct their own movement, so the smart, educated elites must do it for them.
For the American left, in the 2028 presidential election, there is a straightforward answer to that question: AOC must run for president. If she doesn’t, she is leaving significant gains on the table. Not gains for her; gains for the movement, for the working class, for progress, and for the world.
If the Left really cared about the working class (they don’t), they’d let the working class choose their own leader (they won’t).
Now, to be fair, this is by no means exclusive to the Left. Neither liberals or conservatives are willing to give the working class any kind of real power or autonomy, either. No one is.
It’s true, we are beyond pathetic.
Turns out Americans are tired of being Israel’s attack dog.
The county isn’t really divided by state lines, it’s divided by: urban v rural, college educated v non educated and rich v poor, as well culture, ethnicity and religion.
I would say the “heartland” of America is relatively culturally homogeneous, and many, if not most people from the heartland definitely seem not to like or trust the Pacific Coast states or the Northeast/Atlantic Coast area. If there’s a big political divide in America I’d say it’s more the interior v the coasts and big cities v small towns than red states v blue states.
We are going to avoid doing the hard things until the hard things are forced upon us.
Likely true. And when that time comes, I think it’s going to be rough.
Major change wouldn’t be easy
I think our aversion to anything difficult or challenging is a big part of the problem. We’ve gotten really bad at doing things that are hard. Unfortunately, though, I don’t think we can just avoid doing hard things forever.
You’ll soon find out just out devoted to creating jobs businesses really are.
Yeah, because jobs and innovation have only ever been produced indirectly as a result of capitalism. The point isn’t to create jobs, the point isn’t to innovate, the point is to make as much profit as possible. If capitalists can make profits without innovating or creating jobs, they’re happy to do it.
More importantly, economies generally grow by encouraging innovation rather than limiting it.
Granted, reasonable people can disagree about Musk’s leadership style or his public statements. But creating businesses that generate jobs, technological advances, and shareholder value is ultimately how wealth is created in the first place.
Important insights (/s) from a capitalism cultist.
They’re the closest thing America has to middle class voters, not the poor and stupid underclass you suggest.
But that’s not what I said, though. I didn’t say that “Republicans” are “the poor and stupid underclass.” I said:
…the educated - who tend to be wealthier, urban and liberal - and the uneducated - who tend to be poorer, rural and conservative.
I shouldn’t have said that the educated, specifically the college educated, tend to be wealthier, because that’s not necessarily true. However, it is true that college educated people tend to have higher incomes than non-college educated people.
The problem is the politicized misinformation that’s served up by algorithms and convinces idiots of all education and wealth levels that their doctor is part of a 5G conspiracy to give their kid autism.
So is the problem the misinformation or the “idiots of all education and wealth levels?” If we get rid of the misinformation, will those people then stop being idiots? If not, what should be done with all of these idiots? What causes idiocy? Is it genetic or biological in some way?
The average Republican voter is wealthier than the average Democratic voter.
Could you provide a source for that? I’m not necessarily doubting that it’s true but I’m also not just going to take your word for it.
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We need to address the class divide that defines America right now, and that’s the divide between the educated - who tend to be wealthier, urban and liberal - and the uneducated - who tend to be poorer, rural and conservative.
The way I see it, the rich urban liberals have a greater responsibility here, because they have financial and intellectual resources that the rural poor do not. If the liberals are expecting poorer and less educated people to spontaneously gain the knowledge and experience necessary to make better political choices, then they’re delusional. Maybe the liberals think, “hey, that’s a them problem, not a me problem.” If so, they’re wrong. Unless they want to amend the constitution so that only rich liberals can vote, it’s a you problem.
Edit: I realized I asked someone else to provide a source for their claim that even as I had not provided one for mine that “the educated…tend to be wealthier, urban and liberal.”
Here’s what I was able to get from factually.co:
The most defensible conclusion from the available reporting is that there is no universal, single-number answer: at the very top, Republicans have a larger party ID share in some polls, while among affluent, college-educated urban voters, Democrats or liberals are increasingly prominent; across broad income and wealth measures both camps include substantial high-income groups.
So it is not necessary the case that the educated are wealthier. It may have been more accurate for me to say that "the educated tend to be affluent, urban and liberal.
I think Netanyahu himself has done more than enough to foment significant hate against him.
This crisis is being caused by people who are too stubborn to accept the reality. This is unsustainable. Water was a relatively limited recourse before climate change, it’s only gotten more limited as climate change has advanced and you can’t use water that doesn’t exist. If some people refuse to accept that fact, I’m afraid they’re just going to have to be forced to accept it.