• GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
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        No, what the fuck. Zionists maaaybe, but the ww2 winners didnt kill the german population and children either. Why? Because it is fundamentally wrong.

        Cant be a mass murderer in any case and still be a good guy.

        As for the actual zionists, they should get a proper, nuremberg style trial.

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          The allies killed a ron of german civilians. The usa did the worst terrorist attack ever by firebombing japan leading to the death of 100000 japanese in one day but tou are right about it being wrong to kill or displace all israelis

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            You are just fucked in the head my guy.

            Mass killing people is never acceptable, especially based on convicions or ideologies.

            If you think whatever it is you desire politically is worth building on a genocide then you should really get a room with yahu and trumpet.

            *i am specifically arguing arguing against genocide. The people in power enabling and perpetrating it need to be severely punished, with execution decidedly on the table. That is a whole different beast than killing kids because of who their parents are though. Cant believe im even arguing about this.

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              I want the killing to actually stop. Not pause. Stop. Exterminating zios is the only way. Every single one. Maybe there are babies too young to have developed language who can be raised by a second cousin in new York or something, but every single one old enough to know its a zio must be ended.

              Or this keeps happening. We keep putting out little fires and letting them start their little fascist movements and doing their one-off mass killings wherever the shards end up. That’s what they are. I’m not willing to sacrifice human lives for zio lives.

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                You can’t kill an ideology; you can’t murder fear and tribalism. Your whole righteous fury shtick is promoting dehumanization and genocide.

                “Human lives for zio lives” – dude get some help. People are people. Full stop. Every person holds a spectrum of beliefs, good/evil/complicated in multiple dimensions. There are undoubtedly many sadistic evil fucks profiting from and enjoying Israel’s genocide. But, as with any cult, the vast majority have been deluded into thinking that protecting their in-group is the only option.

                People who commit atrocities should be punished. People who direct and stoke the flames of genocide should be punished a thousand times more. People who directly aid in these crimes should be judged harshly. But a label, applied on something as nebulous as human thought or circumstance of association, should never be a death sentence.

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                  you can’t kill an idea

                  1. Yes you can. Its not easy, but it can be done. Nothing stopping it from being reinvented, if the circumstances that initially gave rise to it don’t change, but you can kill an idea. Especially a stupid one.

                  2. This isn’t an ideology. Its an identity. They’re not the same.

                  you’re as bad as they are

                  You’ve never met a zio. You’ve never dined at the table with one. You’ve never heard the songs they teach their young. You do not know what the fuck you’re talking about. You are irresponsible, and I suspect you can only continue acting like this because you do not consider Arabs to be people.

                  The zios need to be stopped, and nothing short of extermination will stop them. We’ve fucking tried everything else. We fucking tried.

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          Well, we tried asking for about a hundred years. I guess we could do another twenty years of that. Arablives don’t matter, so there’s no real cost. Lets give it (another twenty years of) a go!

          What’s the worst that could happen? Their war of extermination keeps going until they hit Europe and start killing actual human beings? Lol!

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        Just strip them of power everywhere, return the land to palestine, remove all zionists from the region and place reparation debt on them everywhere

        I’d also advocate for imprisoning people complicit with the government and executing the heads of it

        I know they’ll make their way back because they’re alive and due to the ideology, people won’t understand this because you need to think religiously not logically to understand religious people, but you can’t do much more than that other than try to rebuild whatever’s left

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          strip them of power

          When the rot goes this deep, that means killing them

          return the land to Palestine

          Dude there’s so much more to it than that, and no zio will ever stop trying to rape and murder until it’s dead and in the ground, or it’s the last living thing.

          imprison all the complicit

          You can’t and shouldn’t make a prison that big. Running that would have unconscionable effects on the administrators, and nobody should have to suffer that to preserve zio lives.

          Your solutions and their costs are unconscionable. Why is any of this less objectionable than just killing them?