We have already lost this war three times.
What are we still doing there???
Experiencing the death throes of a dying global hegemony
Well, getting into a war which reveals its hard power as being much less than the image most had of it before and which pisses of its allies, all of this eating away its soft power, it is a pretty traditional thing in the collapse stage of empires.
… it is a pretty traditional thing in the collapse stage of empires.
it really goes to show that capitalism hasn’t broken the cycle since it shares the same fatal patterns as the empires that collapsed before it.
Market manipulation and unprecedented levels of historical grift? Oh and sucking Israeli dick, that’s a big one.
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Looking for the Epstein list?
I think we just like the feel of the pain and we relish in the devastation of loss. There’s no other explanation.
Who’s “we”?
America and her government.
Looks like Iran need to keep teaching the burger reich that it can’t fuck around without consequences.
If they can, they should bomb the absolute shit out of israel. That’s the only thing that will put a real stop to this.
I mean, where’s the lie
One missile in Suez would cripple the international economy like never before too
America just needs to take the L lmao
yes please. iran: please strike targets on american soil, too. the US needs to get its teeth kicked in and doing it on “bases” is just stupid.
The problem is that might galvanize the population (of the US) and increase support for the war.
That wouldn’t affect the war just like lack of support for it didn’t, population of US has no say on consequences of the wars their government wages, worrying about their support when it has no effect is meaningless
Let’s hope they level the Pentagon to the ground instead of a primary girls only school
I … Don’t believe you are correct here. The US has the most destructive military (non-nuclear) on the planet. The country simply does not have the appetite to actually commit blood, sweat, and money to this war. If they start striking the US, the US people will see it as an existential threat and be far more willing to dedicate as many resources as nessesary to eliminating the threat regardless of the fact that the US started it. That would be bad for everyone, but especially Iran.
It is far better to have the US population largely split in their support for the war effort.
If Iran leveled the pentagon and nothing else I think the average american would support Iran more.
In the US war on Vietnam, the anti war stance of the US population of draft age had a significant effect.
fair and true point. :/
Consult a map, or a globe.
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Missiles and drones can only fly so far before they run out of fuel. The US is half-way across the world from Iran.
yes, so i expect iran to get good. so ?
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An excavation is when you excavate something, like an archaeological site. The word you’re looking for is excursion.
does that mean someone will finally level israel?
visit https://presstv.com/ for a taste of freedom of speech … US is so free guys
what the heck they made presstv.ir inaccessible as well
I can access it over Tor with Netherlands endpoint
Firefox says there’s somekind of certificate issue
Their certificate was revoked (by their certificate authority, Actalis, part of the Aruba Group) on July 6. Presumably the CA was pressured to revoke it by the Italian and/or US government, and they will get a new certificate from someone else soon.
There is a hexbear thread here about it; afaict there doesn’t appear to yet be any reporting about it. But in the CRL you can see it was revoked July 6:
$ curl -s http://crl15.actalis.it/Repository/tls-subca-rsa-dv-2025/getLastCRL | openssl crl -noout -text |grep -A 4 02295E6BB25717C4652321F4ED9D2B29 Serial Number: 02295E6BB25717C4652321F4ED9D2B29 Revocation Date: Jul 6 13:54:09 2026 GMT CRL entry extensions: X509v3 CRL Reason Code: Privilege WithdrawnThe reason “Privilege Withdrawn” means it was the CA’s decision rather than their own.
Because certificate revocation has never worked very well, many people can still access it (until their browser fetches the certificate revocation list, or checks OCSP, does some newfangled proprietary other thing i don’t understand…).
There are all these pics of the dead Iranian head of state. Who the fuck cares if that guy’s dead? Fuck him. Hope he rots.
trump really painted himself into a corner here. He’s probably starting to think it would’ve been better to just release all of the trump/epstein files. What a huge colossal waste for everybody on the entire planet.
Wait until he does that to distract from the draft for ww3
Get our asses
Such a failure of intelligence and mental ability. Incredibly conservative. Just keep beating up your opponent and being harsher and harsher until they fold and comply. Do it to your kids, do it to immigrants, do it to a country. The only tool in the empty mental toolbox.
Thing is, Iran is fully capable of punching back, and the big senile oaf trump absolutely cannot understand someone dishing back some pain - especially when trump personally is unaffected by it, just the rest of the countries and the people in the US.
Unfortunately I think this is it for Iran, they can only do two things now: full scorched earth or capitulate. And it’s likely going to be capitulate.
They can’t tit for tat after today’s attacks. The US went after infrastructure this time. If they close the strait again they’re prepared to go to full war.
I think. What the fuck do I know. But would bet within 48 hours:
- Surrender by the Iranian regime, much better terms than currently negotiated.
- US ground invasion to topple the regime.
- Iran goes all out closing the strait, bombing everything within reach, fully mobilizing military
Edit: I realize now people are reading this as all 3 will happen which is stupid, but doesn’t surprise me.
Looks like number 3 is unfolding
Iran can keep the strait closed even if the US goes all out, all flattening Iran would do is ensure the strait stays closed long enough for the oil reserves to run out. The US has to know this. The question is if they’re stupid enough to do it anyway.
We are
I don’t think so. This is all happening because of whatever leverage Israel has on your leadership. Israel refuses to comply with withdrawing form Lebanon.
The usa refuse to use it’s leaverage. Bush senior for example paused a 10 billions aid to israel
George H.W. Bush & his son, curse their names, did not have Polymarket.
Not just that though. Cultist war Hawks got a hard on for leveling Iran for some reason. Lindsay Gramme been saying it for like 20 years. Unless he is also Israeli puppet in which case ignore me.
Iran war hawk
Israeli puppet
It’s the same picture
- lol
- from what bases???
- why not just keep drawing it out until the effects are felt down the supply chain? they’ve been going tit-for-tat so far
Is this what it looks like when you give ChatGPT to a small child?
I’m not a butterfly
The memefied mind in action.
“I write a thousand comments a month”
I don’t know what kind of mind that is, but I wouldn’t be throwing any shade if I was in your shoes…
If any of my 1000 comments were as terrible as the ones you leave, I’d retire from the internet.
What other “if” scenarios can we imagine?
Here’s an if for ya.
IF anyone was to look at comment histories and compare, you’d see that on the whole my comments are much more highly upvoted.
Now, I don’t give a shit, but you should really think about things before you comment. Because it sure seems like your commenting is more or less a finger up your ass thing more than anything else…
Lmao, thanks for doing the research. I wear the down votes with pride, I’ve seen what the shitty libs on the lemmyverse up vote.
I like that you’re so invested though, keep reading through my comments and maybe you’ll learn something.
imagine being this detached from reality y’all
Joke of the century
All three?
Dayam, well I won’t fight you cause I’m no position to claim I know enough…but I’m curious what you think? Just more tit for tat/straits open/straits closed/etc?
I expect return of the full scale war for a short period and then return to negociation because the usa will fail again.,The usa tried everything last time. It did hit infrastructures. The irgc will not surrender that for sure. They still have the control. They still have most of their missiles most of their drones to continue the closure of the straight . Iran can also closure beb el mendeb
No, lol. The US is on the backfoot and is desperate, they cannot actually stop the IRGC just by killing as many civilians as possible.
why would they capitulate?
The US can flatten their infrastructure at will. They can only withstand so much of that before the calculus they’ve been working under changes.
Iran was benefitting from the war for a large part of it. No longer.
Remember how NAZI Germany “flattenned” the infrastructure of the Brits, literally mass bombing British cities?
Remember who ultimatelly won?
Historically a foreign enemy bombing civilians generally achieves the very opposite of compliance - it strengthens rather than weakens their resolve.
Good lord, ok sure let’s see who’s right in the end.
Do you not remember the dozen or so destroyed us military aircraft??
Did I say Iran couldn’t do any damage?
My whole point is the tit for tat can’t go any longer. And I’ve been vindicated (a bit) so far in that my 3rd scenario is starting to play out. Full mobilizing of the IRGC, scatter orders. US strikes are heavier and more frequent.
The strait cannot be fully closed again/ much longer without serious physical shortages starting to appear. Therefore Iran either has to capitulate or go over the top and go for max pain.
Guess we’ll find out if your nostradumbass 48 hours predictions come true or not. See you then!
So it was a “one of these things is bound to happen” list, not a “these are all going to happen” list.
And #3 is absolutely panning out so far. We will see if it keeps up. But curious how you are so confident in your criticism when it’s literally happening…
Or were you like most others thinking I was predicting all three things would happen, which is absolutely stupid because they can’t by definition all happen.
Number 3 isn’t a prediction if it’s already happening, I thought that that would be obvious. The other 2 points are nonsensical. And my original comment was making fun of your statement that the US can flatten Iran at will.
The fact that you considered the option 1 possible make it one of the stupiest comment I ever read here
how so? iran can rebuild infrastructure, and also destroy theirs.
the us can’t wrangle back control of the strait which is an important part of fueling the petrodollar. if the rumors are correct, both their oil and missile reserves are dwindling.
pride precedes the fall.
they can only do two things now: full scorched earth or capitulate
Why? Dragging this out only helps Iran. Every day the US oil reserves fall further, and Iran makes more missiles and drones and tunnels, and the Gulf States get angrier with Trump for messing up their economies.
Iran doesn’t even have to do tit-for-tat attacks or stop every single tanker. They just have to hit enough ships that no one wants to risk crossing without their permission, and prevent the US from returning to and repairing its bases. Both of which they have shown themselves capable of doing.
