Wednesday, 22 August 2012

Banned at Harry's Place - reply to sarka

First my comments were put up for pre-moderation. Now it looks like, despite my best attempts to stick within their rules, I've been banned from Harry's Place altogether. 2 of my comments on their "Christians" thread did not even make it past pre-moderation. Only the last one I had saved on my computer - a reply to sarka - so I will repost it here. The topic concerns a young Pakistani-Christian girl accused of burning a Quran, and comparisons between this case and Pussy Riot's trial in Moscow for breaking into a cathedral to play a concert.

Sarka's original reply to me was here:

Green Infidel:
If a group of Muslim (or of Muslim background) women went into a mosque, and cavorted a bit chanting a ditty that went “Oh Allah, oh for the sake of Ayesha, drive out (insert name of political leader in Muslim-maj state), and may crap fall on the head of (insert name of leading imam), oh we are feminists for Allah! etc etc…” Then THAT would be a sort of equivalent. An EDL group rushing into a mosque in shoes and chanting. “Allah Allah, who the fuck is Allah?”, would NOT be an equivalent.

As far as I know, all the convicted Pussy Rioters are at least vaguely Russian Orthodox Christian by background (none are of other faiths by background, anyway – I am sure if one had been Muslim, or Jewish by background we would have heard about that!), and they made reference to RO cultural traditions – as being their own, Russian traditions – in their statements.

To which I replied (banned by HP):

@sarka - what does "their own traditions" mean?! Did the families of Pussy Riot go to church - or were they perhaps a small part of the vast Soviet state apparatus that was, among their other activities, persecuting the Church? That makes a slight difference - for the latter, making fun of religious symbols is something that's likely been practiced for most of their lives... so how exactly would doing so in adulthood be "radical" in any way?! And would you say the descendants of Soviet security forces sending priests to Gulags also share Russian "Orthodox tradition" - and if they acted disrespectfully to Orthodox beliefs, that it would be comparable to people who were once Orthodox doing the same?!

If PR were once Orthodox then the above of course does not apply. But I'm still not sure how it would be any more acceptable - personally as a Catholic, if anything, I would find it more offensive if those from a Catholic background acted disrepectfully towards their former religion than the likes of Ian Paisley. After all, they should know better!

"Acting disrespectfully" is the operative phrase here - PR did not merely criticise Orthodox belief. They went way above that, invading the sacred area of a church to do something seriously offensive to Orthodox believers.

(by comparison, in the case in Pakistan, it is only alleged that a young girl who may have Down's Syndrome did something in any way comparable)

Apparently this was too much for HP's rules - but Sarka, if you're out there -  this is my reply. Any on-topic replies posted here will not be removed!

Tuesday, 14 August 2012

Imagine... a multi-kulti olympics!

On Sunday, the 2012 London Olympics drew to a close. 2 weeks earlier, the opening Ceremony was a feast of multiculturalism on steroids. And now, in the Closing Ceremony, the song was played that encapsulated the spirit of the Games - and perhaps the ideals of much of Britain's population. That song, of course, being John Lennon's "Imagine"...




Below are the full lyrics:
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

The ideas expressed in these lyrics are a large source of what has driven Britain to adopt the multi-cultural, "progressive" form it has today.

John Lennon was among other stars such as Crowded House, the Spice Girls, One Direction, Eric Idle from Monty Python and  many others... however, perhaps Professor Green and his hit "Jungle" could have also been included to showcase the wonders of Britain's type of multiculturalism in practice? He raps, after all, about Hackney - an area very close to the Olympic Stadium. Below is the video: