Undefinable: An AAGC Originals Podcast

Asian American Girl Club

Undefinable takes listeners inside the Asian American Girl Club world and beyond, where trailblazing stories meet community voices. Hosted by Kara Wang (GOOD TROUBLE), each episode brings together honest, meaningful conversations with an incredible lineup of multi hyphenate trailblazers. Conversations range from lighthearted and fun to emotional and inspiring, always creating space for connection with listeners. Kara dives deep with guests to discuss what they were like growing up, how those experiences shaped them and the advice that they would give their younger selves. These conversations celebrate the stories that shape both culture and community.

  1. 4 days ago

    Dr Joyce Park

    In this episode, Jenna and Kara sit down with Dr. Joyce Park (teawithmd) to discuss what she was like growing up painfully shy, the pressures of being an eldest daughter and a woman in the medical industry with a family, her medical trajectory and the twists and turns her career took, her incredible year in medical journalism, her content creation as "TeaWithMD," her new hair line KERATIV, and her journey as a mother of two. Dr. Joyce Park is a board-certified dermatologist and founder of Skin Refinery, known online as TeaWithMD for her science-based approach to skincare education. Trained at Stanford and NYU, with experience at the WHO and in medical journalism, she specializes in making complex health topics accessible. Through her practice and online community, she identified a major gap in effective, easy-to-follow hair loss solutions—leading her to create KERATIV, a dermatologist-developed system focused on scalp health and simple, trustworthy routines. IG / Tiktok: @TeawithMD https://www.teawithmd.com/ Special thanks to our Presenting Sponsor, East West Bank, for supporting AAGC and helping amplify these stories. This is an AAGC Originals Podcast, brought to you by Asian American Girl Club. Executive produced by Ally Maki, Jenna Ushkowitz, Tia Samn and Kara Wang Intro Music (OMG) by Gloria Kim Edited by Jacob Ho Special thanks to Oscar Alva Visit www.asianamericangirlclub.com @Asianamericangirlclub
    47 min

  2. 27 May

    Vanessa Lee

    Happy AAPI Heritage Month from all of us at AAGC & East West Bank. In this episode, Vanessa Lee joins Jenna and Kara for a conversation that is as hilarious as it is deeply informative. From her BFF telling her she "ruined everything" when she got pregnant at 26, to building one of the most intentional aesthetic practices in the industry- Vanessa is refreshingly unfiltered and brilliant. She opens up about her East-meets-West philosophy, protecting heritage features in a Eurocentric beauty world, and the powerful question she asks every single client before touching their face: "What do you love about your face?" This one will make you laugh, think, and look in the mirror a little differently. Vanessa Lee is a globally recognized aesthetic expert, entrepreneur, and founder of The Things We Do. With over 17 years in cosmetic dermatology, she is widely known for pioneering Facial Balancing and her East-meets-West philosophy that blends advanced aesthetics with traditional Chinese face reading. A trusted beauty authority, educator, and sought-after speaker, Vanessa is passionate about facial harmony, skin health, and longevity — and is redefining what beauty looks like for a new generation. IG: @Vanessalee_rn Website: https://vanessaleern.com/ Thank you to our Presenting Sponsor, East West Bank, for believing in this community and helping us tell the stories that matter. This is an AAGC Originals Podcast, brought to you by Asian American Girl Club. Executive produced by Ally Maki, Jenna Ushkowitz, Tia Samn and Kara Wang Intro Music (OMG) by Gloria Kim Edited by Jacob Ho Special Thanks to Oscar Alva Visit www.asianamericangirlclub.com @Asianamericangirlclub
    58 min

  3. 20 May

    The Tiger Sisters: Jean & Cherie Luo

    Happy AAPI Heritage Month from AAGC and our partners at East West Bank! In this episode, Cherie and Jean, The Tiger Sisters, sit down with Jenna and Kara to talk about growing up together, childhood adventures (including a Glee concert) and the journeys that led them apart and back together. From tech careers to launching their podcast and brand, they share stories of entrepreneurship, creativity, and sisterhood. They also discuss their matcha company and what they hope to see for women in the future—a fun and thoughtful conversation about family and collaboration. Cherie Brooke Luo is a tech operator, media entrepreneur, and career mentor known for breaking down the unwritten rules of success for ambitious women. She’s built a massive global following by translating careers, business, and elite education into clear, actionable frameworks. Cherie is a Stanford Graduate School of Business, Master of Business Administration. former product leader at LinkedIn, and co-founder of Tiger Sisters, where she blends strategic insight with real-life honesty. IG: @cherie.brooke Jean Luo is a tech executive, investor, and product leader with experience spanning Wall Street and Silicon Valley. She began her career at Goldman Sachs before leading product and innovation teams at companies like Snap, where she holds 50+ AI patents. A Harvard Business School MBA and Dartmouth graduate, Jean is the co-founder of Tiger Sisters, bringing sharp, systems-level thinking to conversations about money, power, and leadership. IG: @jeanluo_ Every Monday, sisters Cherie Brooke and Jean Luo bring sharp, funny, and unfiltered conversations about money, power, and love. With the honesty of a late-night sister talk and the strategy of a boardroom, Tiger Sisters is where ambition meets real life. Expect bold opinions, career frameworks, and silly sister banter.  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tiger-sisters/id1760438314 Thank you to our Presenting Sponsor, East West Bank, for supporting AAGC and helping us bring these stories to life.  Watch Undefinable on Spotify. Spotify Premium users get no commercial breaks on our show. This is an AAGC Originals Podcast, brought to you by Asian American Girl Club. Executive produced by Ally Maki, Jenna Ushkowitz, Tia Samn and Kara Wang  Intro Music (OMG) by Gloria Kim Edited by Jacob Ho Special thanks to Oscar Alva Visit www.asianamericangirlclub.com @Asianamericangirlclub
    47 min

  4. 13 May

    Michelle Lee

    HAPPY AAPI Heritage Month from all of us at AAGC & East West Bank. In this episode, Michelle Lee sits down with Jenna and Kara to talk about a career in media that has shaped how Asian women are seen in fashion and beauty. From her time at Allure to her own personal style, Michelle reflects on growing up without representation, putting Asian women on magazine covers, and the full-circle joy of motherhood—like her daughter using an AAGC shirt as a lovey. A candid conversation about creativity, resilience and leaving a lasting impact. Michelle Lee- an award-winning beauty industry expert and one of the most influential voices shaping modern beauty culture. She’s the former Editor in Chief of Allure, where she led groundbreaking moments like the iconic ‘This Is American Beauty’ cover and helped spark a global conversation by banning the term ‘anti-aging.’ Named Adweek’s Editor of the Year and an ADCOLOR Legend for her work in diversity and inclusion, Michelle is now a sought-after expert regularly featured by Vogue, The New York Times, and Business of Fashion. Today, she serves as a fractional CMO and Chief Brand Officer for leading beauty and wellness companies, and previously led global editorial and marketing at Netflix. A longtime advocate for representation and inclusion, Michelle continues to shape the future of beauty, culture, and storytelling. IG & Tiktok: @heymichellelee Shoutout to our Presenting Sponsor, East West Bank, for championing AAGC and bringing these stories to life.  A special Thank you to our friends at Babyletto! Use code AAGC10 for 10% off your purchase at babyletto.com. Terms and conditions apply, see baybletto.com for details This is an AAGC Originals Podcast, brought to you by Asian American Girl Club. Executive produced by Ally Maki, Jenna Ushkowitz, Tia Samn and Kara Wang Intro Music (OMG) by Gloria Kim Edited by Jacob Ho Special thanks to Oscar Alva Visit www.asianamericangirlclub.com @Asianamericangirlclub
    56 min

  5. 6 May

    Lisa Ling

    Happy AAPI Heritage Month from all of us at AAGC and East West Bank. In this episode, Jenna and Kara sit down with childhood idol Lisa Ling for an intimate conversation about her remarkable journey. She reflects on her time on The View, the incredible influence of her grandmother, and growing up fast while knowing from an early age that she wanted to be a journalist. Lisa also opens up about what drives her as a storyteller, caring for her mother, and creating Mighty Lings. This is a thoughtful conversation about family, and the passion that fuels her life. Lisa Ling is an award-winning journalist and storyteller. Most recently a special correspondent for CBS News, she produced series on the Crisis of Caregiving, the Psychedelic Renaissance, and the State of Spirituality. She previously hosted and executive produced CNN’s This Is Life with Lisa Ling for nine seasons and Our America on OWN for five seasons, after serving as a field correspondent for The Oprah Winfrey Show and a contributor to ABC News’ Nightline. Lisa was also the first female host of National Geographic’s flagship series Explorer, where she reported on MS-13, undercover stories in North Korea, and the drug wars in South America. She began her career at 21 with Channel One News, covering the civil war in Afghanistan, and later co-hosted ABC’s The View, which won its first Daytime Emmy during her tenure. She’s the co-author of two books with her sister Laura, and serves on the boards of several organizations including The Asian American Foundation and the Kids Mental Health Foundation. IG: @Lisaling @mightylings Thank you, East West Bank, for being our Presenting Sponsor and helping AAGC tell our stories.  This is an AAGC Originals Podcast, brought to you by Asian American Girl Club. Executive produced by Ally Maki, Jenna Ushkowitz, Tia Samn and Kara Wang  Intro Music (OMG) by Gloria Kim Edited by Jacob Ho Special Thanks to Oscar Alva Visit www.asianamericangirlclub.com @Asianamericangirlclub
    1hr 1min

  6. 29 Apr

    Yuriyan Retriever

    In this episode, we sit down for a fun, high-energy conversation with multi-hyphenate and hilarious Yuriyan Retriever, who will be headlining at Netflix Is A Joke Fest on May 9th at the Laugh Factory. We talk about what Yuriyan was like growing up in Japan, her directorial debut, her dream of winning an Academy Award, and her time living in LA. She also gives a special multimedia performance and a sneak preview of her upcoming show. Yuriyan Retriever is a multi-talented Japanese comedian, actress, director, and singer who continues to break boundaries across entertainment. Known for winning multiple comedy championships in Japan, she has also earned critical acclaim as an actress, including Best Actress in a Leading Role at the Asian Academy Creative Awards for her performance in The Queen of Villains on Netflix. In 2025, she made her directorial debut, with her film premiering at Beyond Fest at the Egyptian Theatre and going on to win awards at international festivals including the Hawaii International Film Festival and the Festival du Nouveau Cinéma. Beyond film and comedy, Yuriyan is also a recording artist signed to Universal Music, with multiple songs released and an album on the way. Now expanding her career to the U.S., she’s driven by one ultimate goal: to win an Academy Award. https://www.netflixisajokefest.com/shows/yuriyan-retriever IG: @Yuriyanretriever Tickets to Netflix Is A Joke Fest: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/netflix-is-a-joke-presents-yuriyan-retriever-at-laugh-factory-tickets-1984908174783 This is an AAGC Originals Podcast, brought to you by Asian American Girl Club. Executive produced by Ally Maki, Jenna Ushkowitz, Tia Samn and Kara Wang Intro Music (OMG) by Gloria Kim Edited by Jacob Ho Special Thanks to Oscar Alva Visit www.asianamericangirlclub.com @Asianamericangirlclub
    39 min

  7. 22 Apr

    Sarayu Blue

    In this episode, Sarayu joins Jenna and Kara for a moving conversation about forging her own path. She reflects on growing up a wild child, earning a black belt, and the courage it took to walk away from jobs that didn’t feel right. Sarayu also shares funny stories from her upbringing like stealing chairs, her scholarly parents and the lessons those moments taught her about resilience and following her instincts. Sarayu Blue is a stage, film, and television actress. While Blue may have at once been more well-known for her sharp comedic timing, this perception shifted when she got the opportunity to show her range in the Amazon limited series, "Expats." Starring opposite Nicole Kidman, and directed by Lulu Wang, the role of Hilary became a meaningful highlight in Blue's career. Before Expats, a defining moment for Blue, was becoming the 2nd South Asian American woman ever, to lead an American sitcom. Blue starred as Emet in the female-driven NBC comedy, "I Feel Bad," produced by Amy Poehler. Blue began her career, stealing scenes in David E. Kelley's medical drama, "Monday Mornings," and she continued to work as a series regular on shows like, The CW's, "No Tomorrow." She also co-starred in the "Children's Hospital" spin-off, "Medical Police," along with getting to play some of her favorite roles in Netflix's, "Never Have I Ever," the 2nd & 3rd installments of "To All the Boys I've Loved Before," and the Universal feature, "Blockers," to name a few. Blue will next be seen in Netflix’s highly anticipated, “Unaccustomed Earth,” starring opposite Freida Pinto.  IG: @Sarayublue This is an AAGC Originals Podcast, brought to you by Asian American Girl Club. Executive produced by Ally Maki, Jenna Ushkowitz, Tia Samn and Kara Wang  Intro Music (OMG) by Gloria Kim Edited by Jacob Ho Special Thanks to Oscar Alva Visit www.asianamericangirlclub.com @Asianamericangirlclub
    47 min

  8. 15 Apr

    Sara Tan

    In this episode, beauty expert and longtime friend of AAGC, Sara Tan, sits down with Jenna and Kara for a deep dive into all things beauty. From the must-haves in her everyday bag to the skincare rituals she swears by, Sara shares her insider tips and favorite products. They also get personal, chatting about what it’s like to be a mom while navigating the oversaturated beauty world, balancing self-care with life’s demands, and staying true to your own style. Tune in for a candid, fun, and inspiring conversation that’s as real as it gets Sara Tan is a beauty journalist, editor, host, and brand consultant with over 15 years of experience in beauty and lifestyle media. Based in Los Angeles, she is the co-host of the award-winning Gloss Angeles podcast and formerly served as Global Beauty Director at Refinery29. She regularly interviews celebrity founders, dermatologists, makeup artists, and industry leaders, and reports on the latest trends, news, and shifts shaping the beauty landscape. IG: @Saratan @GlossAngelesPod https://www.glossangelespod.com/ Thank you, Cocokind, for being our Presenting Sponsor and helping AAGC tell these stories. This is an AAGC Originals Podcast, brought to you by Asian American Girl Club. Executive produced by Ally Maki, Jenna Ushkowitz, Tia Samn and Kara Wang Intro Music (OMG) by Gloria Kim Edited by Jacob Ho Special thanks to Oscar Alva Visit www.asianamericangirlclub.com @Asianamericangirlclub
    46 min
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Undefinable takes listeners inside the Asian American Girl Club world and beyond, where trailblazing stories meet community voices. Hosted by Kara Wang (GOOD TROUBLE), each episode brings together honest, meaningful conversations with an incredible lineup of multi hyphenate trailblazers. Conversations range from lighthearted and fun to emotional and inspiring, always creating space for connection with listeners. Kara dives deep with guests to discuss what they were like growing up, how those experiences shaped them and the advice that they would give their younger selves. These conversations celebrate the stories that shape both culture and community.

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